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Re:How to tell when someone is lying? by JoeAltmaier on Friday May 02, 2014 @05:25PM (#7688270)
That's not lying. There's no intent to deceive - nobody is fooled. We know conventionally that he lives 'somewhere around Boston'; that he's offering an opening conversational gambit and not conveying emotional information; that we're confirming his right to enjoy something and not communicating a restaurant review.

If we must call it lying, then we need a new word for when someone tells an intentional untruth with the intent to deceive.

Re:How to tell when someone is lying? by mapleoin on Friday May 02, 2014 @07:13PM (#7688716)
I would argue that lying is not deceiving. At least not all the time. Lying also has the meaning of intentionally telling a falsehood.

And there is some deception involved, even if unintentional. Describing a restaurant you didn't like as what a great place simply reinforces the speaker's (monologuer's) impression, even though his interlocutor obviously believes it to be false. In the second part of the paragraph I quoted, the second person is basically just holding a mirror for the speaker in which he (the speaker) can admire and enlarge his own self, while the listener encourages and cheers him on.

They are both fooled.

Re:How to tell when someone is lying? by ph0rque on Friday May 02, 2014 @07:44PM (#7688824)
We know conventionally that he lives 'somewhere around Boston'

When Americans ask me where I was born, I don't say the actual country that no longer exists (USSR) nor the country that it is called now (Kazakhstan). I simply say Russia. The reason is that it's simpler for Americans to understand Russia.

Re:How to tell when someone is lying? by sejje on Friday May 02, 2014 @08:38PM (#7689020)
What makes you think we understand Russia better than we understand Kazakhstan?

Maybe you wish to have imparted your culture or something, however I don't expect most people have any reasonable idea what the culture is like in neither Russia nor Kazakhstan.

Are you just hoping they know where it is on the map?

Re:How to tell when someone is lying? by ph0rque on Saturday May 03, 2014 @01:46PM (#7691667)
I should have expounded: I am ethnically Russian, as both of my parents' families moved from Russia to Kazakhstan when it was all USSR. So if I were to say I was born in Kazakhstan, most Americans would have no idea where it is. Those that know something about Kazakhstan would ask why I don't look Kazakh. Thus I just answer with Russia.
Re:How to tell when someone is lying? by ternaryoperator on Saturday May 03, 2014 @06:04AM (#7690224)
I think he means it's easier to understand in the same way we would tell a Russian that we're American, rather than from Ohio.
Re:How to tell when someone is lying? by nly on Saturday May 03, 2014 @05:43AM (#7690183)
The word you're after for harmless lies is 'fibbing', closely related to 'fibble-fable' which presumably means a fable that isn't entirely true. Not to be confused with 'fiddle-faddle' which means to lark about without telling porkies.