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Re:Security Update 2014-002 by SeanLuke on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @03:32PM (#7629844)
Not available for 10.5.x it would appear.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by coherentpony on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @03:56PM (#7630008)
If you're still using 10.5.x, this security update is actually not your biggest problem.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by SeanLuke on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @06:08PM (#7630803)
You do what you gotta do. 10.5.8 is the last OS X version which supported PPC.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by stock_toaster on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @06:28PM (#7630896)
Run Linux or one of the *BSD's on it?
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by SeanLuke on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @11:57PM (#7632003)
Would that I could.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by coherentpony on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @06:39PM (#7630943)
And any Mac software you buy that still supports PPC is almost certainly not vendor-supported with security updates.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by yuhong on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @07:58PM (#7631251)
Luckily PowerPC exploits were pretty uncommon even back when it was current, partly because it was more difficult to create than x86 exploits.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by tptacek on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @09:35PM (#7631557)
How so? Do you just mean fewer people knew PPC? I'm not sure I follow this.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by yuhong on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @09:57PM (#7631615)
Yea, partly, but also because PowerPC shellcode is more difficult:

http://uninformed.org/?v=1&a=1&t=pdf

Re:Security Update 2014-002 by plantain on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @10:39PM (#7631767)
It's a dream compared to x86...
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by tptacek on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @10:47PM (#7631811)
Split I&D caches on the PPC complicates things.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by ProAm on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @04:12PM (#7630106)
What is their biggest problem?
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by windsurfer on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @04:54PM (#7630376)
Support has stopped. The latest update was 5 years ago. Most software doesn't support it anymore, including Chrome and Firefox.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by akjj on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @06:50PM (#7630995)
There's a fork of Firefox ESR that supports OS X versions 10.4 and up: http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by bananas on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @04:36PM (#7630268)
That your computer is so old that you no longer look hip in Starbucks. Plastic MacBooks are so noughties!
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by coherentpony on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @06:43PM (#7630969)
>That your computer is so old that you no longer look hip in Starbucks. Plastic MacBooks are so noughties!

I was actually thinking more in terms of security and support.

PPC architectures are not very well supported nowadays, and haven't been for over 5 years. Perhaps longer. Sure, you can still run your machine on 10.5 and it might run really well still. That's no reason to trust it for mission critical tasks. God forbid if someone was using a OS X Server 10.5 and users trusted it with their credentials.

Vanity was pretty low on my list, but I understand everyone's priorities are different.

Re:Security Update 2014-002 by bananas on Wednesday April 23, 2014 @02:04AM (#7632408)
I was mocking the consumer perspective but obviously HN is too sensitive...

Not sure I trust Apple with longevity. Windows XP from 2002 just hit the dust and I've got a decade out of RHEL. For something from 2007 to be a write off is not good IMHO. I thoroughly regret my MBP purchase for theae reasons.

Re:Security Update 2014-002 by pja on Wednesday April 23, 2014 @04:20AM (#7632787)
By the time Apple drops support for your hardware you have a decent chance of being able to install a current Linux distribution with no hiccups and full hardware support, so all is not completely lost.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by bananas on Wednesday April 23, 2014 @05:10AM (#7632940)
Possibly right but I don't see how a piece of hardware that is pretty much glued together (as of recent MBA and MBPs) is going to survive that long to be honest.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by mzr on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @07:25PM (#7631129)
Conveniently enough, so is this Slashdot post.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by GFK_of_xmaspast on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @05:24PM (#7630549)
Turns out if you missed the 10.5 -> 10.6 or 10.7 upgrades, you appear to be hosed unless you can find some physical media for those releases, you can't go 10.5 -> 10.8 (never tried ->10.9, would not expect it to work).
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by mrpippy on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @06:04PM (#7630787)
Apple still sells 10.6 (the physical DVD) online (at it's original price, $20) for anyone still stuck on 10.5. Once you're at 10.6.8, the Mac App Store is available for further upgrades
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by pja on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @05:49PM (#7630713)
Get hold of a 10.9 installer on a USB stick from a friend with a 10.9 Mac & restore /Users from backup after a wipe & fresh install of 10.9?
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by coherentpony on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @06:37PM (#7630939)
I think this issue is that it might be the case the hardware isn't even supported on newer OS X releases.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by ams6110 on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @07:16PM (#7631101)
Yes they stopped building PPC support after 10.5
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by coherentpony on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @09:22PM (#7631523)
Not just PPC. They also stopped support certain intel hardware too.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by ams6110 on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @09:43PM (#7631578)
That's true. The latest OSX releases won't install on some of the early Intel Macs. I've heard it's possible, with a certain amount of hacking, to get an early Intel MacPro for example to run 10.8 or maybe even 10.9 but it's unsupported.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by GFK_of_xmaspast on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @08:17PM (#7631306)
That works but it's not exactly an easy upgrade path.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by mhurron on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @03:41PM (#7629898)
10.6 and previous are out of support. Apple seems to support n and n-1 only by and large with n-2 updates if it's bad enough.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by ceejayoz on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @05:55PM (#7630745)
Especially now that new versions of the OS are going to be free.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by gpvos on Wednesday April 23, 2014 @02:27AM (#7632482)
Where does Apple announce it when they stop supporting something? 10.6 still got updates in 2013.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by r00fus on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @03:58PM (#7630024)
Apparently not affecting 10.7 and earlier either.
Re:Security Update 2014-002 by dan1234 on Tuesday April 22, 2014 @04:36PM (#7630265)
Are you sure? The change log mentions 10.7.x for a couple of the items.