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Re:Borgata casino lawsuit: Phil Ivey cheated, won $9.6M? by nabla9 on Sunday April 13, 2014 @06:09AM (#7580866)
I always wondered how one of the best professional poker players in the world would be so big degen that he would routinely throw away hundreds of thousands in card games where he could not win.

This and the Crockfords Casino incident make his behavior more understandable. It seems that he did not really cheat, , he just exploited flaws.

Re:Borgata casino lawsuit: Phil Ivey cheated, won $9.6M? by mattmaroon on Sunday April 13, 2014 @09:52AM (#7581301)
Most of the best poker players are degenerates. I used to see many of them (and definitely Ivey) playing craps outside of the poker room non stop.

Degenerates come in all IQ ranges. They just crave action. Even the smartest ones will take bad action when they can't find good, and at poker there isn't always a game with stakes a really high roller would find interesting, but there is always a craps table.

Re:Borgata casino lawsuit: Phil Ivey cheated, won $9.6M? by phaus on Sunday April 13, 2014 @11:37AM (#7581617)
Phill Ivey would be one of the first people to tell you that he's a degenerate gambler. I'll have to look for it, but I watched an interview where he talked about his days before he made it big. He would cash his McDonald's paycheck, go lose it playing poker, and then end up spending a few weeks sleeping on the streets.

Also, I remember one time a WSOP bracelet showed up on ebay. Apparently, its owner had made about $10 million in career earnings in poker, but he was so broke from betting on horses that he was selling his beloved bracelet for gambling money.

Re:Borgata casino lawsuit: Phil Ivey cheated, won $9.6M? by mwill on Sunday April 13, 2014 @06:13AM (#7580880)
To be fair, Ivey is supposedly a total degen outside of Poker, plays craps, makes prop bets, bets on sports etc. There's stories floating around the web of him betting on coin tosses, for example.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was simply playing Baccarat genuinely, noticed the possibility for edge sorting, and went for it, then looked for other casinos that had the same problem.

Re:Borgata casino lawsuit: Phil Ivey cheated, won $9.6M? by Sambdala on Sunday April 13, 2014 @08:12AM (#7581075)
A friend of his has claimed privately that he takes advantage of specific lossback deals that certain casinos give certain high rollers, and this gives him a positive expectation at craps at least some of the time.

However, it's hard to know how much truth there is to that.

Re:Borgata casino lawsuit: Phil Ivey cheated, won $9.6M? by parasubvert on Sunday April 13, 2014 @08:27AM (#7581108)
This is likely true considering how low the house edge is on both Baccarat (1.06% on the banker) and basic craps (don't) pass/come with full 3-4-5 odds (around 0.37%) [1]

Any small positive edge in lossback, card or dice placement will lead to advantage. Some of them can't do math as well as others, apparently. This is how Don Johnson (not the actor) broke a few casinos several years back, including - surprise! - Borgata. [2]

[1] http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/ [2] http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/04/the-man-wh...

Re:Borgata casino lawsuit: Phil Ivey cheated, won $9.6M? by tehwebguy on Sunday April 13, 2014 @07:26AM (#7580990)
degen?
Re:Borgata casino lawsuit: Phil Ivey cheated, won $9.6M? by baha_man on Sunday April 13, 2014 @07:45AM (#7581029)
http://www.floattheturn.com/dictionary.php?word=d&page=3

"Degenerate, often simply 'degen,' is a well-known appelation for players who behave in a self-destructive manner away from the poker table."