Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by jasonlotito on Monday April 07, 2014 @01:32PM
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This is literally an advertisement for Algolia masquerading as an article. They literally went through each feature their product provides and listed it out. Going to their page, the animation is practically a point by point repeat of the "article."
Maybe it's okay because it's a YC company that it's also posted here, but it really just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by pierrebai on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:23PM
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It's the fact that the blog:
1. Lists only features of their product.
2. Doesn't lists any features that their product doesn't support.
3. Aims mostly at shaping expectations so that one would find their product.
4. Uses the guest-blog trick to boost rating / cross-linking.
It's is all fine and dandy in the culture where somewhat things are newspeaked into hacking growth or whichever new euphemism is in vogue.
Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by derefr on Monday April 07, 2014 @05:18PM
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If they knew about some other feature search-boxes should have, but which their product doesn't, don't you think they'd add it to their offering? #1 and #2 being true is the equilibrium-state of building a product to address every problem you're currently aware of.
Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by hrktb on Monday April 07, 2014 @01:44PM
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> Why not skip this step and offer real results as they type?
This is one of the most annoying thing for me for general search(if it's something very precise, OK). How annoying it is seems to be counterintuitive, since a lost of search components do it.
There can be half a dozen of UI elements popping under a text field. Autocorrection is one, autocomplete and input history are another two, autosuggestion can happen depending on the device (Os5~7 Blackberry phones heavily did it). IME is also right on this spot and individual keystrokes don't have much meaning in this case anyway.
It's usually sad to have two dropdown like components auto updating at each keystrokes, especially when there is a network request for each update on the one hidden below the other. It can wait for an ENTER key, really.
Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by gagege on Monday April 07, 2014 @03:10PM
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In pretty much every case where I'm searching for something with a search bar, I prefer the list of results getting updated as I type. Why? It's simply faster.
On Spotify for example, click "search" start typing until I see the band I want in the "top result", press the down arrow, press enter.
If I had to press enter and wait for the whole list of results to load, that would take much longer.
Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by hrktb on Monday April 07, 2014 @08:06PM
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For me the experience fall apart at the "press the down arrow" part.
I took a screenshot of a typical google search session [1] with the search suggestion appearing below the system's native dropdown. For any field where I use the IME, it's the IME that wins, and the dropdown in the background is just distraction [2].
This is the easiest case to reproduce on a blank site, but it's the same for search box where I have autocomplete values (which is a more common problem I think ?); the autocomplete popup will take precedence on any element displayed in reaction to the keyboard, and a "press down arrow" will go to the autocomplete, and not the site's dynamic dropdown.
[2] The other "best" case is when a result is actually relevant, but I can't see it because it's hidden, or it changes/disappears when I dismiss the native popover because the action counted as a focus change or a keyboard event.
Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by gagege on Tuesday April 08, 2014 @03:00PM
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Ah, I guess my experience is different. I don't get that "system" autocomplete on Google or anything else. So, i just use the one that the website gives me.
Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by nkurz on Monday April 07, 2014 @01:45PM
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I think the highest priority needs to be "Put the results the user is looking for at the top of the list". Second might be "Don't put anything on the list unless it's likely to be what the user is searching for". I don't know if there needs to be a third, but if there was it would be something like "Do it fast and unobtrusively".
Applying this to the article, let's look at the examples in #6. Correcting "Gmae of Th" to "Game of Thrones" is great, but what are the chances that the user would have typed "Gmae of Th" if they were searching for "The Hunger Games", "Enders' Game", or "The Game"? I'd argue that it's close enough to zero that the last 3 choices shouldn't be on the list.
Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by peaderh on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:10PM
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I made this one last year https://bitly.com/18y2kPE
Does a few of those things albeit not all that well.
Also due to Google charging for its API's it only can do 100 searches a day from them but Bing and Blekko keep working.
Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by bmelton on Monday April 07, 2014 @01:23PM
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This is a pretty tried and true marketing tactic for brand exposure. "Cross-blogging" or "guest blogging" lets them illustrate their market experience to a new audience, vs. the audience currently visiting their site, who presumably already believe that they're experts.
Re:Things I Wish Every Search Box Did
by cliveowen on Monday April 07, 2014 @01:30PM
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Frankly I was blown away a little while ago when I first used the new search, it's lightning fast and really finds whatever you're searching for. I'd really love to know more about the infrastructure behind.
Maybe it's okay because it's a YC company that it's also posted here, but it really just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I really don't see the problem here.
This is one of the most annoying thing for me for general search(if it's something very precise, OK). How annoying it is seems to be counterintuitive, since a lost of search components do it.
There can be half a dozen of UI elements popping under a text field. Autocorrection is one, autocomplete and input history are another two, autosuggestion can happen depending on the device (Os5~7 Blackberry phones heavily did it). IME is also right on this spot and individual keystrokes don't have much meaning in this case anyway.
It's usually sad to have two dropdown like components auto updating at each keystrokes, especially when there is a network request for each update on the one hidden below the other. It can wait for an ENTER key, really.
On Spotify for example, click "search" start typing until I see the band I want in the "top result", press the down arrow, press enter.
If I had to press enter and wait for the whole list of results to load, that would take much longer.
I took a screenshot of a typical google search session [1] with the search suggestion appearing below the system's native dropdown. For any field where I use the IME, it's the IME that wins, and the dropdown in the background is just distraction [2].
This is the easiest case to reproduce on a blank site, but it's the same for search box where I have autocomplete values (which is a more common problem I think ?); the autocomplete popup will take precedence on any element displayed in reaction to the keyboard, and a "press down arrow" will go to the autocomplete, and not the site's dynamic dropdown.
[1] http://imgur.com/YikLtdi
[2] The other "best" case is when a result is actually relevant, but I can't see it because it's hidden, or it changes/disappears when I dismiss the native popover because the action counted as a focus change or a keyboard event.
Mine are "Search across multiple attributes", "Ranking" & "provide real results from the first keystroke", in that order.
Would be great to know what everyone else thinks, so we can improve our service accordingly (https://starthq.com - Greplin-like cloud search).
Applying this to the article, let's look at the examples in #6. Correcting "Gmae of Th" to "Game of Thrones" is great, but what are the chances that the user would have typed "Gmae of Th" if they were searching for "The Hunger Games", "Enders' Game", or "The Game"? I'd argue that it's close enough to zero that the last 3 choices shouldn't be on the list.
Those links to Algolia should be no-followed under decree from Google.
[1] - http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/guest-blogging/
It's a pretty good one as well.
I don't want to nitpick, but when an article begins with such an evidently silly statement, it discourages me from reading the rest.