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Re:Slick – Carousel by yummyfajitas on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @10:38AM (#7508487)
I don't wish to engage in standard HN negativity, but I'd like to suggest that you should probably don't want to use a carousel at all most of the time.

From the user's perspective, a carousel is just a random image. You'll get more conversions if you choose the best image instead of a random one.

http://www.bayesianwitch.com/blog/2014/carouselsarebadforcon...

Re:Slick – Carousel by captainmuon on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:43PM (#7509613)
Not everybody is concerned about "conversions".

If I'd get to redo the public website of our research institute, I'd add a carousel, because it looks cool and modern, and it allows you to showcase the work of different people without favoring one person by giving them the "best space".

And even if you have something to sell, it might be valuable to "wow" your potential customer, and to give them the impression that you are "cool" and "modern" and "state of the art" and have moving pictures of happy pretty professionals on your site.

Or, it might be better to have a big "BUY" or "DOWNLOAD" button in that space.

You can't generally say what's better for all use cases IMHO. You got to understand your visitors/customers, do testing if you can afford it, and so on.

Also, the main reason why carousels suck in my opinion, the bad usability (no touch, unclear if clicking moves to the next picture or opens another page, not clear how to move to other pictures) seems to be fixed nicely buy this script.

Re:Slick – Carousel by shanacarp on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:21PM (#7509953)
I used to volunteer with my local college club. During that time, the school won a webby.

Probably one of the most undisclosed facts about the schools website: beyond students using it, they probably tested the hell out of "does it drive donations"

Even nonprofits* have conversions to worry about - they take in donor and grant money. Making sure the site is clear in order to do so is way more important than cool

*I can actually name a few nonprofits that do not have this model, but thats because they are secretly for profits if you look through their budgets. They tend to exist in sectors providing services on behalf of the federal government to say the disabled. They don't need to worry about conversions.

Re:Slick – Carousel by taigeair on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @05:20PM (#7511774)
links to show?
Re:Slick – Carousel by mbesto on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:12PM (#7509368)
Re:Slick – Carousel by morganherlocker on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:10PM (#7509857)
That is especially effective when you get towards the last few slides and it auto-switches before you are done reading.
Re:Slick – Carousel by ig1 on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:10PM (#7509346)
The maths looks wrong; the distribution of clicks is only relevant if the total number of clicks stays the same.

Essentially a carousel gives you a "second-bite" at your customer, i.e. the second image is a chance to convert those customers who haven't already been converted by the first image.

Imagine you have two images one which converts at 40% and one which converts at 20% - but each image converts completely different groups; by carouseling the images you could end up with 40%+20% conversion.

In practice you won't because of overlaps, drop-off from people who never see the second image, etc. but it's definitely possible to exceed the maximum conversion of an individual image.

(obviously you should A/B test for your circumstances)

Re:Slick – Carousel by zecho on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @09:42PM (#7513044)
I have A/B tested carousels extensively at my previous job. What I found was that even after a user interacted with the controls, meaning they specifically chose to see subsequent slides, they still clicked the first slide at nearly the same rate as those who never interacted at all (tested with auto slide on and off and variations of the carousels). Intrigued by the finding, I started doing different sorts of the slides (random, most recently added, oldest, etc.) and found no statistical difference. I never had time to figure out why, though, as I took a new position somewhere else. I have a strong suspicion that users see first as most important, though.
Re:Slick – Carousel by yummyfajitas on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:57PM (#7509737)
Sure, anything could happen. As Shana says:

It is totally possible that there are edge cases where we are wrong. While we’ve personally performed split tests between carousels and their elements and always came up with an individual slide (rather than the whole carousel) as the highest revenue generating source, it is possible that there will be some cases where a carousel is better for conversions.

To go with your example, assuming each group has 50%, it's still tough. The actual conversion rate of the carousel in your example will be T x 60% + (1-T) x 30%, where T is the fraction of users who actually wait for the second image. Some simple algebra suggests that for this to exceed 40%, you'll need T > 1/3.

Re:Slick – Carousel by ig1 on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:16PM (#7509909)
The problem with your calculation it assumes that people who are likely to get converted by the first image wait around for the second image and get "unconverted".

A good intuitive way to think about it is this: if you're only showing the second carousel image to people who the first image failed to convert then there's zero down-side.

In practice there are some users who would convert if shown the first image for longer who you'll lose by rotating to another image, but that's what you need to measure to decide if it's worth having a carousel.

Re:Slick – Carousel by yummyfajitas on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:22PM (#7509962)
30% is avg of 20% and 40%. Its the conversion rate of a random person who doesn't stick around long enough to see the second image.

I don't think we really disagree - you should test the carousel, and cases where it wins will be edge cases usually.

Re:Slick – Carousel by shanacarp on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:22PM (#7509961)
the downside is they may bounce instead of waring out the time.
Re:Slick – Carousel by snowwrestler on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @09:10PM (#7512933)
You can get the same set of bites faster and more effectively by simply placing both images directly onto the page. This is why Amazon Kindle and Apple product pages tend to be so tall. People can scroll a lot faster than they can wait for a carousel to go through.
Re:Slick – Carousel by adrianhoward on Wednesday April 02, 2014 @03:50AM (#7514148)
This.

I've personally never seen carousels out-perform alternatives like having multiple images on the page, or multiple landing pages with separate messaging, or just dropping multiple options for the one that's most important.

I'm sure that there are some cases where they're an effective option - but I've yet to come across one in testing.

As Brad Frost once observed "Carousels exist to keep people from beating the shit out of each other in meetings." - https://twitter.com/karenmcgrane/status/316563205294010370

And sometimes "people" is just the different people in your head who want to talk about ALL THE THINGS - when talking about just the most important one is what you really need to do.

Re:Slick – Carousel by shanacarp on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:12PM (#7509872)
This assumes one important problem that sees to not be common - that the person viewing the carousel will stick around long enough to view the next choice (or all the choices)

In an ideal world, what you should do instead is parametric optimization of some sort instead of a carousel - so you can hit that other 20%

Re:Slick – Carousel by webwright on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:32PM (#7509522)
Add'l data on how carousels don't convert.

"Don’t Use Automatic Image Sliders or Carousels, Ignore the Fad" http://conversionxl.com/dont-use-automatic-image-sliders-or-...

Re:Slick – Carousel by thekenwheeler on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @10:41AM (#7508518)
While I agree with you in terms of adding important or lengthy content to a carousel, there are times when using one is the best way to do it.

Product recommendations on e-commerce sites, Alternate images of products, galleries on mobile, etc...

Plus, good UX or not, I haven't had a design hit my DropBox in over 5 years that hasn't had a carousel in it. So if you have to use one, use this one.

Re:Slick – Carousel by psychometry on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @11:06AM (#7508754)
I honestly can't think of an instance where a carousel is the best UI element to use, yet everyone requests them. Why?
Re:Slick – Carousel by hockley on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @11:30AM (#7508981)
Internal Department Head You Can't Say No To: "We need our campaign on the front page next month."

Website Manager: "Okay, we'll put you in the carousel."

Re:Slick – Carousel by kstop on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:19PM (#7509417)
Not enough upvotes in the world.
Re:Slick – Carousel by Angostura on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:10PM (#7509348)
They're an absolute boon to Web designers where different stakeholders in the client organisation can't make up their bloody minds. There comes a snapping point where a carousel is suggested to avoid insanity.
Re:Slick – Carousel by chaz on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:31PM (#7509515)
Indeed. It's an organizational relief valve that doesn't rock the boat much from a UI or product perspective. This is less of a problem at a small company, but a big problem at large companies. Standardizing the creative unit also makes it much easier to manage, and can be changed quickly by a semi-technical person if they are given a tool.
Re:Slick – Carousel by actionscripted on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @11:55AM (#7509209)
Clients/bosses love them and to them they ARE the best UI element to use. I've had this discussion with hundreds of clients and they just won't budge -- they want a carousel, make it so.
Re:Slick – Carousel by windsurfer on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:01PM (#7509281)
They are the "best" for the people or companies featured in the carousel, NOT the users of the carousels.
Re:Slick – Carousel by Trufa on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:43PM (#7509608)
Photographers displaying pictures that don't want to lose vertical space is clearly one.

In our website we use it for instructional photo succession, I think it works pretty good, I'm open to suggestions (other than videos) to other UI elements that would work better for that that purpose.

http://getfinn.com/#instructions

Re:Slick – Carousel by japhyr on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:26PM (#7510000)
I have never seen your product before, and those four images give me a very clear sense of how it works. I would much rather click through a series of images like this than play a video, even if the video is short.
Re:Slick – Carousel by Trufa on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @04:48PM (#7511548)
Good to hear! Thanks for the feedback. I've had to fight against carousels several times, since they sometimes want to be used as a way to save space and fit more information, that's clearly bad UI but I certainly think that there are several cases in which they have their place.
Re:Slick – Carousel by nollidge on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @11:31AM (#7508986)
Because UI concerns don't always (or even usually) drive requirements.
Re:Slick – Carousel by ollysb on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @11:50AM (#7509172)
I think it's safe to say they're pretty useful for artists and photographers to show collections of their work.
Re:Slick – Carousel by psychometry on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @03:39PM (#7511097)
I think a page of thumbnails or the images themselves is still better.
Re:Slick – Carousel by taigeair on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @05:18PM (#7511758)
I have a carousel on my product page and I treat it like an image. I think it works pretty well. When someone clicks on it, I'll show the next image and people actually click through to browse the other images.

http://www.wellingtonstravel.com

I built mine myself but the slick carousel looks pretty good!

Re:Slick – Carousel by shanacarp on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:14PM (#7509891)
edgecase
Re:Slick – Carousel by jdavis703 on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @02:14PM (#7510445)
Any collection of work for that matter, such as product page that has multiple images.
Re:Slick – Carousel by YPCrumble on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @08:53PM (#7512858)
I use them on my site for each product's outfits, because it was the only way to always see the outfits next to the original products rather than scrolling down and seeing the outfits out of context. I can't think of a better way to achieve this, what do you think? whatgoestiththis.co is the site and click on any product to see.
Re:Slick – Carousel by shanacarp on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:14PM (#7509888)
Because handling internal politics at BigCos can be very difficult. Also, for many departments, the way they are judged on success can differ from other departments doing similar activities.

If you want to see a really horrible example of that kind of politics getting in the way of customers and users - SearsCo

Re:Slick – Carousel by SimeVidas on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:07PM (#7509327)
Exactly. The carousels on The Verge and Polygon are just awful. The only good implementation of a carousel on mobile (in my experience) is the one on GSMArena, which has large prev/next buttons.
Re:Slick – Carousel by taigeair on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @05:21PM (#7511781)
I actually like the carousel on the mobile app if that's what you're talking about. I know it's the top stories, but yeah it hides the other stories if you didn't know about swiping.
Re:Slick – Carousel by SimeVidas on Wednesday April 02, 2014 @07:02PM (#7519669)
It could be that the swipe is more reliable in the app, but on the mobile website, it's not. Sometimes my swipe is ignored and sometimes I even accidentally activate the link of the current item in the carousel. #annoying
Re:Slick – Carousel by callmeed on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @02:13PM (#7510438)
It's an easy way to display multiple photographs in a gallery/portfolio. They can be used for the main images or thumbnails.
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Re:Slick – Carousel by onion2k on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @11:53AM (#7509192)
I've been designing UIs as a web developer for about 15 years, for many years exclusively in ecommerce, and in every test I've done a product carousel performs worse than a product grid. Users prefer to see all the recommendations at once. Every single time I've seen one implemented it's been a result of a design decision (avoiding long scrolling pages usually) rather than a data-driven UX decision.
Re:Slick – Carousel by younes0 on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:53PM (#7510255)
what about this one : https://www.joingrouper.com/
Re:Slick – Carousel by hiphopyo on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:05PM (#7509813)
How about text ads?
Re:Slick – Carousel by adrianoconnor on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @10:42AM (#7508534)
Carousels have their place, but I agree, not on a conversion page. Also, never create a carousel that randomly shuffles between images. If an image is worth showing, show it and let the visitor see it without changing it half way through. The number of time's I've thought 'oh, that looks interesting' only for the interesting thing to disappear... bad idea.
Re:Slick – Carousel by 47 on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @02:31PM (#7510587)
It depends on what you are using the carousel for.

For example if you are showing let say showing a set of different products, carousel is a bad choice. Because it is dependent on interaction by user or the possibility the user stays on the page long enough for carousal to change image.

But if you are on the product page and viewing different angles of the same product. The bigger the image better the conversion. In this case we have found carousal can help. You still can not use carousal without thumbnails. Thumbnails create 3 times more interaction compared to Carousal. So to summarize for us at Bryght following is true.

Carousal Only < Thumbnails Only < Both Carousal + Thumbnails

Here is the example of product page we are currently experimenting:

http://www.bryght.com/product/854/long-island-brown-leather-...

Re:Slick – Carousel by reledi on Wednesday April 02, 2014 @11:14AM (#7516079)
As long as the carousel doesn't auto-rotate, I could see a carousel + thumbnails working very well for a product gallery. The example on your site does it well.
Re:Slick – Carousel by Touche on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @10:41AM (#7508517)
Carousel's have uses outside of image viewers. For example, every mobile application is essentially a bunch of views in a carousel.
Re:Slick – Carousel by wlesieutre on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @01:08PM (#7509832)
The views in mobile apps are typically organized as a tree instead of a circle and require user interaction to move between them instead of cycling themselves. I wouldn't call them carousels any more than I'd call gmail a carousel because you move between views of different messages.
Re:Slick – Carousel by err4nt on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @11:33PM (#7513385)
I use a carousel to display a list of current games on a fantasy sports website and this script looks better than what we're currently using!

Carousels as a component are useful for a lot more than just homepage slideshows :)

Re:Slick – Carousel by vassvdm on Tuesday April 01, 2014 @12:41PM (#7509587)
I agree for the most part. I guess the Airbnb landing page is an obvious counterexample. I'm confident that they A/B tested it to death. In that particular case the transitions are very subtle and don't detract from the CTA (even though it's in the middle of the carousel images). The images themselves serve the purpose of "showing, not telling" what the product is.