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Re:How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff W... by mbrutsch on Sunday March 30, 2014 @07:06PM (#7498374)
How do they compute a hash of a file without actually looking at the file? Magic?
Re:How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff W... by Dylan16807 on Sunday March 30, 2014 @07:16PM (#7498401)
'looking' here means having a person look at the file or possibly having a system run analysis* of the file. Neither happens.

Since you seem to be talking about having their systems touch any bytes of the file, I have a more important question: How would you expect to have a file synced with dropbox and shared via dropbox without dropbox touching the bytes? Magic?

* you know what I mean by analysis, think gmail

Re:How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff W... by mbrutsch on Sunday March 30, 2014 @09:02PM (#7498857)
> 'looking' here means having a person look at the file or possibly having a system run analysis* of the file. Neither happens.

I know that, and you know that, but I showed this article to my wife (who is a casual computer user), and while she understood the difference when explained, she said that as a non-techie, she interpreted the title differently. If you hash my data, and take action based on that hash, then you have looked at the data, however cursory or algorithmic it may have been.

FWIW, I had this same discussion on reddit, where it devolved instantly into name-calling. HN is much more civil. Thanks for that.

Re:How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff W... by Dylan16807 on Monday March 31, 2014 @01:36AM (#7499829)
Did she realize that this was a file already uploaded to Dropbox? That's a very important distinction in my mind. Dropbox has already calculated hashes and fed the data to the servers at that point. They don't don't do any 'looking' beyond the data-shoveling process.

It's the DMCA sharing check that avoids 'looking' even in the most pedantic sense, not the overall use of Dropbox.

Re:How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff W... by TheLoneWolfling on Sunday March 30, 2014 @07:24PM (#7498423)
Simple. Truecrypt (or whatever other encrypted filesystem you prefer) volume on Dropbox. Files in partition.

Dropbox has no idea what is on the volume.

(In an ideal world, you'd have a filesystem set up that was a separate encrypted file for each file in the virtual filesystem, with an additional encrypted file that contained the virtual directory info. But this is simpler.)

Re:How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff W... by Dylan16807 on Sunday March 30, 2014 @07:47PM (#7498512)
Well sure if you use another program to encrypt the file then Dropbox can only see the encrypted bytes, but that's not what mbrutsch was objecting to. A particular truecrypt volume could still have a takedown related to it.
Re:How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff W... by TheLoneWolfling on Sunday March 30, 2014 @08:26PM (#7498684)
Not automatically via the method used here (hash blacklist)
Re:How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff W... by Dylan16807 on Sunday March 30, 2014 @08:50PM (#7498795)
When I say 'particular' I mean someone notices the truecrypt volume being shared either semi-publicly or multiple times and files a DMCA for the volume itself. Then you have to alter it or make a new one.
Re:How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff W... by wdewind on Sunday March 30, 2014 @07:30PM (#7498445)
How would the file get to the truecrypt volume? Wouldn't it be significantly more expensive to run the app on encrypted hdd?
Re:How Dropbox Knows When You’re Sharing Copyrighted Stuff W... by PhasmaFelis on Sunday March 30, 2014 @07:27PM (#7498436)
Simple! By redefining "not looking" to mean "totally looking, but in a way that we've decided doesn't count."