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Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by aculver on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:26AM (#7474010)
You are none of the above.

If you've got a few years of development experience in companies like that, I recommend you "find a boss [you] respect" by becoming your own boss. Start with consulting. These engagements are different than employment because often times they're not full-time and you can stagger a couple of contracts together at the same time. This is to your advantage because you now have two "bosses" (clients) instead of one. I know it sounds counterintuitive that more bosses are better, but if things aren't going as you'd like on one contract, you can move on to another contract as it becomes available without the sort of risk you incur when you're switching full-time employment at one company to another.

From there, you can further increase your independence by building a product that has many smaller customers. Again, many "bosses", but you need each one individually much less, so you're actually more in control of your circumstances.

If it doesn't work out, you can be reasonably confident you can just fall back into regular full-time employment. In this scenario, your definition of failure is most people's definition of success.

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by cleaver on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:32AM (#7474073)
On the first day of my first consulting gig, as I was getting set up, an argument ensued over which server I should be doing my work on. In my old job I would have got caught up in the nonsense. This time I could just say: "OK, you guys figure it out, I'll just wait over here".

Sitting and reading while you count the dollars someone else is burning through can be rather therapeutic.

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by mgkimsal on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @12:33PM (#7474543)
This time I could just say: "OK, you guys figure it out, I'll just wait over here".

You could have said that before in other situations. Regardless of what your work situation is, you can always do this. I haven't but in retrospect realize I could have in more situations than I want to acknowledge. The downside to that is you end up having to live with someone else's decisions for far longer than they spent making the decision, which may often stink. But as an independent consultant you still have to do the same thing. The only primary difference I see is that you usually can see an end in sight when you won't have to deal with decision X, whether it's jumping to another client for the afternoon work, or getting a different contract 6 months from now.

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by HeyLaughingBoy on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @03:22PM (#7475779)
You can, and I do. The difficulty is catching yourself in time before you are drawn into the conflict. It's amazing when you see it happening "from the outside" and you realize how much time you were formerly wasting by participating in what are, in the end, usually pointless arguments.

Disengage, then say "let me know by XX:YY when you make a decision" and find something else to work on. Truly liberating.

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by S_A_P on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @01:59PM (#7475112)
As a fellow consultant, I would like to add that the temporary nature of consulting work makes this sort of infighting and politics a lot more palatable to me. I know that in 3-6 months I can laugh at it...(or at least forget about it)

So I sort of suffer from the same symptoms as the OP. Consulting has proven to be a good choice for me, as I do get some variety and dont get as bored as I did when I was a FTE somewhere...

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by sizzle on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @02:28PM (#7475317)
any advice on getting into consulting?
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by S_A_P on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @03:49PM (#7476038)
Well for me, I just fell into it. I was a .NET developer and ended up working for a company that taught me a niche skill (CTRM/ETRM). I then learned how to customize two of the larger applications in this field.(RightAngle and Allegro) Now I do some development but it is more implementation/integration/customization. My development skills definitely help, but its not the main focus of my work anymore.(unless I start a hobby project)

I think having a niche specialized skill certainly helps, but you could probably find work at a "big 4" firm without it. Being either technical or functional AND personable helps. I am pretty easy going so I can get along with most, and have a pretty positive attitude most of the time. That said Im not overly extroverted, so that isnt a requirement. If you want to do it, work towards making it happen. Linked in(for better or worse) can be a good resource here. Join a professional group there, go to hh events, make connections. I dont think it is a tough field to break into.

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by sizzle on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @08:03PM (#7477615)
thank you for the advice, I'm just exiting university so it really helps. Much appreciated!
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by aantix on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @12:24PM (#7474479)
As a fellow consultant, I found this comment quite liberating. Thank-you.
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by kevando on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:30AM (#7474046)
This also helps you gain perspective. Once you work for yourself, you may hear yourself spitting bullshit, creating bogus plans, not closing deals, making short-sighted decisions, implementing poor management practices, pivoting too often, etc. Then you see the doors swings both ways.
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by allochthon on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:59AM (#7474273)
And then you can work to stop making short-sighted decisions and implementing poor management practices, because you can identify the bullshit.
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by czbond on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:56AM (#7474246)
This made me laugh, because it's so true.
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by angersock on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @12:56PM (#7474679)
"I'm self-employed, and my boss is still an asshole."
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by aragot on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @07:13PM (#7477350)
...but I'm learning"
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by baldfat on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:42AM (#7474157)
People leave because of management most of the time.

Read this article and you'll thank me. http://www.hcamag.com/hr-news/people-leave-managers-not-comp...

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by SkyMarshal on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:54AM (#7474233)
Unfortunately consulting work doesn't solve any of his problems, he'll still be dealing with the same issues, just under a different employment contract.

The only way to really solve those problems and put yourself in a qualitatively different situation, is found your own startup where you'll truly be your own boss, or at least only have to answer to investors who care more about the big picture.

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by Gobiner on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @03:40PM (#7475949)
It solves the problem of being emotionally connected to the job. Maybe it doesn't materially change the day-to-day work, but it's a completely different experience when you can sit back and and get paid $100/hr while other people do stupid things.
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by badman_ting on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @04:47PM (#7476529)
You could do that. But you may find you traded one boss you don't like for seven bosses you don't like.
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by liveoneggs on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @05:57PM (#7476938)
great advice and I agree. Consulting and working hourly changed my perspective a lot.
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by notastartup on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:33AM (#7474085)
Where do you find such consulting work? Surely not craigslist . Then where? Should I buy leads from Adwords?

Do you need to become a partner for an ERP software company? How successful will you be calling yourself a 'consultant'.

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by aculver on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:37AM (#7474114)
If you have any friends that freelance, reach out to them. If they're successful, they'll know about more projects than they can take on, and may be willing to refer some over to you.

They may have also been approached by consulting companies that have more work to do than they can handle, and are looking for independent consultants to help with the load. The rates on those projects are usually a little less than your normal rate, but quite good for getting into the groove of things early on.

You can also reach out to local consulting companies yourself and make yourself available to them.

If you have the choice between a short-term client that wants you 40 hours a week and a long-term client that wants you 10 hours a week, take the long-term client. They'll reduce the risk of being in business for yourself, and you can take on other part-time contracts in addition. When you've got the benefit of a long term engagement, you can experiment with your pricing more with the remaining time. I end up giving a pretty significant discount to the companies I'm engaged with over the long term, as my rates on new projects are constantly going up.

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by cpncrunch on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:42AM (#7474154)
The only reliable place I have found is jobserve.com. That was in the UK, but they seem to have US jobs as well. You might also find some contract jobs on the craigslist jobs sections (just tick the 'contract' option). The computer gigs section of craigslist is a bit hopeless.

Note that this is for medium-to-long-term contract jobs typically lasting 6-12 months.

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by jaynos on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:47AM (#7474197)
I'd start by reaching out to people that you already know through previous jobs and any other contacts you have (maybe avoiding people connected to your current employer).

Starting up a business is pretty simple from a paper work standpoint and doesn't have excessive overhead costs or paperwork requirements if you aren't doing any work through said company. Now you have a company ready to accept checks or payment when the work arrives.

Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by notastartup on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @02:36PM (#7475385)
do you think incorporating as a company is worth it when you are not making a large amount of money to begin with?
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by mgkimsal on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @10:22PM (#7478184)
in the US, most states allow an LLC formation - this is usually cheaper and offers you some protection against losing your personal assets in a legal dispute. You need to be above board and document all your stuff (expenses, etc), don't mix personal and business use expenses, keep separate bank accounts, etc. To start with for most solo freelancers, this is fine. At some point - "incorporating" might make more sense, but the ceiling would be moderately high. Going for an actual 'incorporation' may make more sense if you have external shareholders and such, or are looking to take investment from outside. Until then, as a solo practitioner, an LLC is usually the simplest combination of protection and minimal legal record keeping.
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by twcooper on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @12:27PM (#7474500)
Go through a list of startups (e.g., http://www.austinstartuplist.com/emerging-startups), cold call/email/show up at every one of them to offer your services. If your sample is sufficiently large, you're bound to land a gig.
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by kchoudhu on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @12:00PM (#7474288)
Alumni list for my university has been helpful.
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by atiffany on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:45AM (#7474183)
email me :)
Re:Ask HN: Is it me or ...? by notastartup on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @03:16PM (#7475729)
sent you an email just now!