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Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @05:32PM (#7469102)
This whole paranoia about Glass reminds me of those people who act like smartphones are only for calling/texting. "Why are you bringing your phone? Who are you going to need to call today?" Nobody, but I might want to get directions, or research something on Wikipedia, or check my to-do list, or listen to music, or...

The camera is the least interesting thing about Glass. Stop acting like it's a single-purpose surveillance machine.

Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by sanderjd on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @05:46PM (#7469283)
Nobody is acting like it's a single-purpose surveillance machine. People are claiming that one of its features can be used in a way that they find unsettling. You can argue that it can't be used in that way, or that it shouldn't be unsettling, or that it's so useful that it doesn't matter if it's unsettling, but you shouldn't act like people who disagree with you just aren't thinking straight or aware of what they're talking about.
Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @03:57PM (#7476117)
> Nobody is acting like it's a single-purpose surveillance machine.

The top comment in this thread right now explicitly advocates shunning anyone wearing Glass in any circumstances, regardless of what they're doing with it. That's absurdly paranoid.

Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by sanderjd on Thursday March 27, 2014 @01:22PM (#7481870)
And yet, that still doesn't mean anyone is acting like it only has a single purpose, but rather that they dislike one of its purposes strongly enough to dislike the whole thing. It's ok to argue that the point of view is unreasonable, but not to be willfully ignorant or just dishonest about what their point of view actually is. If you said "but it does all these other great things!", they would say "I don't care, I still hate it", not "oh, I didn't realize that, I like it now".

Also, you can't actually tell what someone is doing with it, so complete shunning is the only way to be sure you aren't being recorded. Some people don't like being recorded at all, and most people don't like being recorded surreptitiously. These really aren't absurd or paranoid preferences.

Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by PhasmaFelis on Thursday March 27, 2014 @03:24PM (#7482757)
If you're paranoid enough to think that anyone wearing Glass might be not only recording you but also painting over the active-camera light and lying to you about it, then I don't understand why you're not also worried about everyone on the street having buttonhole spycams in their lapels. Surely our hypothetical lying spy would prefer something less obtrusive.
Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by mwfunk on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @08:26PM (#7470515)
If anyone says that to somebody about their phone, they're clearly not actually mystified as to why someone would have their phone with them in that context. They're much more likely just annoyed by that person's lack of phone etiquette and wishing they would've left it behind.

Which is actually a great parallel with Glass- there are no shortage of people with totally legitimate privacy concerns, etc., but I think much of the driving force behind anti-Glass sentiment is humanity collectively sighing, rolling their eyes, and saying, "can we all agree that this is not going to become a thing? Please? Please don't let this become something that is considered socially acceptable because we really don't want to live in that world."

I'm sure we all know people who treat their phone like a pacifier and are always screwing around with it at meetings, social occasions, etc. Do it a little, and that's fine, do it too much and it can quickly become one of the most annoying habits a person can have. Glass, as it is being presented at least, seems like something that would allow That Guy to be even more annoying to deal with, and it would be all the time- not just when he whips out his phone. It might lead to there being many, many more That Guys in the world, and it would grant them the ability to be That Guy 24/7/365.25.

Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by a3n on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @10:25PM (#7471154)
The camera is the most worrisome thing about Glass, and it can potentially force me into participating without my knowledge much more easily than a phone or camera. It's an issue.

I'm not at all interested in Glass, but this issue has caused me to think about how I'll react and interact with a Glass user. I never had to think about that with phones or cameras.

And by the way, this conversation has me thinking about those unfortunate retail workers who have to wear those earbud/microphones, so that they can be re-purposed at a moment's notice. If they wore Glass there would be a backlash.

But it wouldn't be obvious at all if their mics were recording you, and you could easily be simultaneously video recorded by "security" cams in the store. With enough AI and FR, the cameras could automatically focus on whoever the employee was talking to, or even record ambient conversations and connect that to travel so far within the store. "For training purposes."

Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by DannyBee on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @03:57AM (#7472134)
1. I don't see how you participate much more easily without your knowledge. Phones are everywhere, record video, audio, etc. You think because it's not pointed at you on someone's face you aren't participating?

2. You don't think retail stores are already doing this anyway with their security cameras?

Google search for "Retail store video analytics".

(http://blog.nrf.com/2013/06/13/how-retailers-can-drive-perfo... for example, has some real life examples of what various stores are doing)

They don't make any pretense that it's for training purposes.

I guess i'm here to break it to you that you are already participating without your knowledge, everywhere, glass or not.

The only difference is that glass gives you some inkling it is happening.

Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by a3n on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @11:10AM (#7473897)
> I guess i'm here to break it to you that you are already participating without your knowledge, everywhere, glass or not.

Thanks, I'm aware. I have the right to resist.

Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by DennisP on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @05:51PM (#7469344)
I was at Sharper Image the other day, and they had a pen that took video. You could clip it in a shirt pocket and nobody would ever notice. Why people are freaking about Glass, I just don't get.
Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by Silhouette on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @06:05PM (#7469479)
Why people are freaking about Glass, I just don't get.

Because there is a difference between a technology being relatively obscure, because a lot of people find it creepy and socially unacceptable, and the same kind of technology being more widely adopted by the general public because it's piggybacking on something else, apparently without any real privacy safeguards to prevent abuse whatever Google might have liked to happen, and in addition automatically uploading footage to the mothership with or without the knowledge of its owner in approximately real time.

As with much of the modern privacy debate, matters of scale, connectivity and the erosion of anonymity/obscurity make a much bigger difference in practice than traditional distinctions between public and private locations.

Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by pessimizer on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @05:36PM (#7469140)
Stop pointing a camera at me, then.
Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by fernandotakai on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @05:35PM (#7469132)
When phones started having cameras, it was basically the same thing "oh my god now people are going to take pictures of everyone everywhere! good bye privacy!"
Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by quasque on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @05:44PM (#7469249)
The difference is that a phone has to be taken out of one's pocket or bag and quite visibly pointed at something, whereas Glass is always looking wherever the wearer is.
Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by chinpokomon on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @04:06AM (#7472155)
It is and it isn't. Glass is always available, but unlike using a cellphone it isn't necessarily as discrete. If I'm taking a picture of a subject with Glass, there is a body language with how you position your head that you are taking a picture or recording. Plus, you are wearing this apparatus on your head that already draws some attention. You really can't be discrete.

Furthermore, because you can't easily frame your shot as you can with a cell phone or conventional camera, the field of vision is significantly wider. It really makes for a crummy spy cam.

I really do understand why people are concerned, but I believe that if there were more Explorers, it would diffuse the perceived problem. I just finished shooting pool in an APA match and I recorded each of my shots. This has been a fantastic way for me to use the camera in Glass. I also demonstrated lots of other features to those that asked, and the camera faded to the background as a nice to have capability, but it isn't what defines Glass for most of the people I talk with.

I think my experience with taking photos with Glass closely follows how frequently I use the camera on my phone. I take photos, but the camera capability isn't why I choose a particular phone. I now take significantly more photos with Glass, but they are usually at the pool hall during my match. If you ignore that outlier, my photo taking frequency is probably about the same, but I enjoy the experience more because Glass is out of the way and secondary to what is going on around me.

I honestly believe that how you use Glass is a reflection on who you are already. If you want to secretly take pictures using your sunglasses, there are plenty of sources online to buy a pair that are cheaper and less obvious. If you are getting Glass only for the camera, the novelty will wear off quickly.

Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by quasque on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @07:11AM (#7472664)
That was interesting to read, especially the insight into altered body language - thanks for the personal perspective.
Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by userbinator on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @09:17PM (#7470821)
Thinking of http://xkcd.com/1235/ , this will be an interesting future for sure...
Re:Spyware app turns the privacy tables on Google Glass wearers by Noted on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @08:55PM (#7470714)
Well that's also why in some places the cameras must make a noise when they take a picture. (I'm sure there's ways around it, but there are ways to get around pretty much anything)