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Re:Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework by JetSpiegel on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @11:16AM (#7422420)
It has reached the point where Javascript Framework coders don't know Javascript.

Looks like Javascript IS the Assembly of the Web.

Re:Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework by mkaziz on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @11:54AM (#7422645)
I consider myself a JS-person, but if I were honest, I speak jQuery/backbone, not pure Javascript.
Re:Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework by nawitus on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @12:47PM (#7423041)
But DOM is separate from JavaScript.
Re:Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework by hmsimha on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @06:00PM (#7425331)
DOM is separate from Ecmascript, but is actually one of the 3 components of Javascript (along with Ecmascript and the BOM). This is at least according to Professional Javascript for Web Developers (you can see it on 'page 3' in the Amazon preview).
Re:Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework by nawitus on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @02:06PM (#7430576)
The sources I've read (Douglas Crockford or Wikipedia) clearly state that DOM is separate from JavaScript.
Re:Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework by JetSpiegel on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @01:06PM (#7423231)
Only theoretically.

Javascript is a way to manipulate the DOM, no matter whan those nutters who run it on servers say.

Re:Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework by nawitus on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @01:57PM (#7423684)
Nope, it's the truth. You can have JavaScript without the DOM in a Node.js or a CouchDB environment, for example.
Re:Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework by hmsimha on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @06:15PM (#7425427)
I would say that what node.js runs is ecmascript with it's own API that differs from the DOM. It's called javascript for convenience, but then what separates javascript from ecmascript?
Re:Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework by swang on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @01:07AM (#7426932)
Nothing. It is only different in name. Oracle owns the actual copyright on JavaScript via Sun. ECMAscript was used so the ECMA would not have to worry about this.
Re:Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework by hmsimha on Wednesday March 19, 2014 @02:39AM (#7427135)
I guess this is a point of contention. Javascript is considered by many to be an implementation of ECMAscript that also provides additional features (the additional features, according to the book I cited, being the DOM and BOM).