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Re:The truth about grit by edw519 on Sunday August 02, 2009 @09:55AM (#737439)
Nobody is talented enough to not have to work hard, and that’s what grit allows you to do.

I love this quote.

Reminds me of Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, and Kobe Bryant. All 3 very talented. And all 3 were always the last one out of the gym.

It also give me (and all the rest of us hope). Whenever I'm stuck on something (and think I may be slipping in talent, perish the thought), I know that all I have to do is keep at it until I figure it out.

Talent + Grit + Time = Results

The ratio of addends on the left doesn't matter. The sum does.

Re:The truth about grit by dmix on Sunday August 02, 2009 @09:58AM (#737441)
Constant Learning + Grit + Time = Results
Re:The truth about grit by ltbarcly3 on Sunday August 02, 2009 @10:31AM (#737463)
Not talent? Some people violently deny that people have any difference in potential. I can't even formulate a reply, how do you argue with someone who claims the sky is orange and never blue?

Talent is roughly the ability to learn and apply that learning. So you want people to have 'constant learning', but ignore that they first have to be capable of learning that material at all.

Re:The truth about grit by gaius on Sunday August 02, 2009 @10:46AM (#737473)
Talent definitely does matter. Michael Jordan trained like a madman it's true - but training didn't make him that tall. Genetic potential fully realized (through effort over time) is that part of the equation.
Re:The truth about grit by sachinag on Sunday August 02, 2009 @01:37PM (#737735)
The reason Jordan will always be better than Kobe, according to Phil Jackson: Jordan's hands are insanely large and allow him to do things later than Kobe because he can grip the ball at any position.
Re:The truth about grit by kragen on Sunday August 02, 2009 @11:59PM (#738572)
Couldn't Kobe get surgery to fix that?
Re:The truth about grit by bkudria on Monday August 03, 2009 @12:59AM (#738648)
Wouldn't that be cheating?
Re:The truth about grit by gaius on Monday August 03, 2009 @05:10AM (#738874)
Apparently not:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/tennis-star-to-und...

Surgery to improve sporting performance is OK but steroids are not. Weird, huh?

Re:The truth about grit by christofd on Sunday August 02, 2009 @11:05AM (#737494)
Ah, a Canadian ;) Those hockey players. Btw - those 2 Rails projects of yours are well done.
Re:The truth about grit by GavinB on Monday August 03, 2009 @12:19AM (#738602)
I think you mean, "You must have worked really hard on those 2 Rails projects to make them so good."
Re:The truth about grit by ellyagg on Sunday August 02, 2009 @10:29AM (#737461)
Constant learning is part of grit, and you can't take talent out of the equation.
Re:The truth about grit by christofd on Sunday August 02, 2009 @11:15AM (#737507)
Talent in athletic fields is much easier to determine, because the factors are often hard physical limitations: length of body, weight, muscle mass, balance.

Talent in intellectual endeavors is hard to define. In the liberal arts it's sort of an awareness for context, and recognizing unique ideas. In the sciences it's often a capability for symbolic manipulation and internal visualization. However, since the brain doesn't have hard physical limitations, much of this can be developed with extensive training, so that slight weaknesses can be overcome.

Re:The truth about grit by xiaoma on Sunday August 02, 2009 @03:39PM (#737960)
>since the brain doesn't have hard physical limitations, ...

That's a pretty extraordinary claim.

Re:The truth about grit by christofd on Tuesday August 04, 2009 @04:57AM (#740878)
No it isn't. There are traffic accident injuries, where people lose large parts of their brain, and the brain compensates.

By comparison, if you would lose your right leg, your body will not grow a new one.