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Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by skywhopper on Monday February 24, 2014 @10:15PM (#7295137)
So, the Bitcoin community is calling for regulation?
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by clamprecht on Monday February 24, 2014 @10:32PM (#7295244)
It sounds like self-regulation. If exchanges would just prove solvency periodically (which is possible with the blockchain), the whole world could see it. Wouldn't it be nice if you could see the balance sheet of your bank, in a way that accountants couldn't lie about it?
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by rdtsc on Monday February 24, 2014 @11:34PM (#7295593)
> It sounds like self-regulation.

Because that has worked wonders for the other industries -- let's have pharma companies, oil, food producers, just self regulate.

Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by dmm on Monday February 24, 2014 @11:44PM (#7295645)
There are historical instances of self-regulation working. The movie and video game industries control their own content ratings and before the invention of dynamite, nitroglycerin was commonly used as an explosive in construction. Shipping NG is very dangerous because of its instability and many accidents occurred. They industry eventually developed extensive standards regarding shipping that vastly improved the safety of shipping NG.
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by eropple on Monday February 24, 2014 @11:57PM (#7295700)
> movie and video game industries control their own content ratings

Not sure you're helping yourself here. The established movie industry uses its content rating system as a bludgeon against independent filmmakers. The video game industry's content controls are largely a joke, assigned arbitrarily by people who never actually play the game.

Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by bduerst on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @02:57AM (#7296243)
How are movie ratings used as a bludgeon against independent filmmakers?
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by dagw on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @08:06AM (#7297332)
Short version: Most cinemas and other outlets in the US won't carry your movie if it's unrated, so in effect those who control the ratings control which movies can get distributed. Also most cinemas in the US won't show NC17 rated movies so the ratings people can also use that as a way to prevent your movie being shown to a large cinema audience if they want to.
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by br78 on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @03:25AM (#7296325)
I'm sorry it's not an easy source to access, but you should watch this film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Film_Is_Not_Yet_Rated
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by venomsnake on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @02:15AM (#7296149)
In the one case the life of the engineers and not the execs bonuses were on the line. In the other created one of the more potent systems of censorship (it is largely invisible and encourages self censoring the content) and preventing new/small guys from entering.
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by aestra on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @12:01PM (#7298764)
> movie and video game industries control their own content ratings

which are pretty much a joke. PG is now a worthless rating

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/11/26/disney...

The difference between PG-13 and R in many cases is completely arbitrary.

The ratings lump many kinds of movies together and says absolutely nothing about their content.

No movie can be NC-17 or unrated because that is a kiss of death. No theaters will play it, no big box stores will sell it. I think what R can get away with has broadened considerably because of that.

Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by einhverfr on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @03:59AM (#7296435)
If you have appropriate regulations to support self-regulation it can work very well.

For example, here in Indonesia, if I buy eggs at the supermarket I don't really have to worry about them carrying salmonella. Why? Because truth in labelling laws and demand for salmonella-free eggs means that the farms that sell to the big food distributors all get tested so they can label their eggs as salmonella-free.

One really wonders why this hasn't taken off in the US. I can think however of a few reasons (it's not just too much or too little regulation but the wrong regulations).

Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by eterm on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @04:30AM (#7296524)
That still involves regulation, you have to regulate and make sure that people aren't labeling their eggs salmonella free without getting them tested.

At some level it comes back to regulation. It is part of why I feel bitcoin is misguided.

Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by einhverfr on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @04:54AM (#7296621)
s/libertarianism/bitcoin/ and I agree with you as a Distributist.

As a Distributist, my feeling is that successful regulation supports decentralization. The problem with the regulation vs deregulation dichotomy is that regulation is usually pushed as a centralizing power, while deregulation is usually also pushed as a centralizing power.

Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by VMG on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @04:22AM (#7296500)
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Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by rahimnathwani on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @12:53AM (#7295923)
prove solvency periodically

Solvency, the ability to pay what you owe people when it falls due, is easy to prove at any point in time. The state of insolvency occurs the first time you have an obligation to pay, which you cannot satisfy.

The thing is, if you're a de facto bank (by virtue of holding customer demand deposits) then your future expectations of solvency could turn out to be wrong because everyone wants their money at the same time (i.e. there's a bank run).

Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by jasomill on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @02:12AM (#7296139)
MtGox isn't supposed to be a fractional-reserve Bitcoin bank, so, modulo server capacity problems and modest transaction delays due to offline Bitcoin storage, why, in principle, should everyone wanting their Bitcoins at the same time pose a problem?
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by rahimnathwani on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @05:03AM (#7296665)
You are right.

My point about solvency was a general one (applying to all people and companies) but I overlooked an important point: the Bitcoins entrusted by customers to MtGox do not become MtGox assets. The Bitcoins are always owned by the customer (not owed to the customer). They are less like bank deposits than they are the contents of safety deposit boxes at a bank branch.

Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by icebraining on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @05:01AM (#7296654)
The idea is that they would prove their solvency for the hypothetical event of everyone wanting their money back at the same time.
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by dfc on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @01:28AM (#7296021)
> Wouldn't it be nice if you could see the balance sheet of your bank, in a way that accountants couldn't lie about it?

I don't think it would be a big "feature" for me. As far as confidence in my bank goes the big thing is the FDIC sticker on the door/website.

Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by judk on Wednesday February 26, 2014 @04:14AM (#7303804)
Ah, you should look for the bank's sticker on the FDIC website, not vice versa, if your goal is to not get scammed.
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by tlrobinson on Monday February 24, 2014 @10:34PM (#7295259)
If by "regulation" you mean "cryptographic proof of solvency", then yes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7277865

Bitcoin itself has the potential to replace the need for certain types of regulation entirely, but we're not there yet.

Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by jey on Monday February 24, 2014 @10:26PM (#7295211)
Why must that require regulation? They're calling for a meme that informed actors probably wouldn't do business with exchanges that don't provide those "requirements".
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by olefoo on Monday February 24, 2014 @10:34PM (#7295253)
That's regulations with a multilateral peer enforcement mechanism. Conveniently enough it serves as a barrier to entry to new competitors. So if you were wanting to start a bitcoin exchange, you may have missed the boat.
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by dantheman on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @01:51AM (#7296087)
It's not regulation, it's best practices. You can choose to work with someoone who does them or not. Regulation takes that choice away.
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by krapp on Monday February 24, 2014 @10:25PM (#7295204)
Revolutions stop being fun when you're the one who's bleeding...
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by ryanSrich on Monday February 24, 2014 @11:22PM (#7295526)
I think the bitcoin community at large is interested in standardization for the greater good not regulation enforced through tyrannical political institutions.
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by skywhopper on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @10:59AM (#7298307)
Well, who decides what the "greater good" is and how to achieve it? If the BitCoin exchanges get together and decide on a set of standard procedures and policies that are in any way enforced or monitored, then voila: "Governments are instituted among [BitCoin Exchanges], deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed", aka "tryannical political institutions" and regulation.
Re:Joint Statement Regarding the Insolvency of Mt. Gox by ryanSrich on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @11:11AM (#7298384)
I think the Bitcoin community at large has a certain set of values that it regards as sacred (security, anonymity, freedom from state regulation)

Perhaps I'm wrong though.

Regulation is often associated with political states and are often enforced through brute force. I think if we could, as a community, regulate without any state intervention that would be ideal.