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Re:Neovim by bronson on Friday February 21, 2014 @01:49PM (#7278606)
It sounds like they have no interest in getting this stuff pushed back upstream? There's no mention of it on the home page.

At this point it smells kind of Emacs/XEmacsish. Hope they can rally immense development effort.

Re:Neovim by ggreer on Friday February 21, 2014 @03:53PM (#7279358)
The author of NeoVim (Thiago de Arruda) tried to add support for multi-threaded plugins to Vim and has been stymied[1].

I'm not sure how to get a patch merged into Vim. Bram Moolenar is the only person with commit access, and he's not a fan of most changes beyond bug fixes. My co-founder and I tried to add setTimeout & setInterval to vimscript[2]. Even six weeks of full-time effort and bending over backwards wasn't enough. Eventually we were just ignored.

I've contributed to a lot of open source projects, and the Vim community has been the most difficult to work with. I've been writing C for almost two decades, and the Vim codebase is the worst C I've ever seen[3]. The project is definitely showing its age, and I'd love for something new to replace it.

1. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/vim_dev/65jjGqS1_VQ/fFiFrrIB...

2. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/vim_dev/-4pqDJfHCsM/LkYNCpZj...

3. If you value your sanity, do not read eval.c. It is over 25,000 lines and has over 400 ifdefs. The first ifdef checks for Amiga; the second checks for VMS: https://github.com/b4winckler/macvim/blob/master/src/eval.c

Re:Neovim by teacup50 on Saturday February 22, 2014 @10:54PM (#7284854)
Your patches were broken. Now your answer is to fork? Sheesh.

> The project is definitely showing its age, and I'd love for something new to replace it.

Then start over. Refactoring it will be nigh impossible.

Re:Neovim by gdr on Sunday February 23, 2014 @04:41AM (#7285411)
Vim was created on Amiga, so that's explainable
Re:Neovim by oblio on Saturday February 22, 2014 @03:00PM (#7283353)
Re #3. Dude - you broke my browser with that link :(
Re:Neovim by tarruda on Friday February 21, 2014 @02:03PM (#7278707)
As the author I would like to contribute changes back, search vim_dev mailing list for 'message loop' and 'job control' and you will find two patches I've sent that werent even commented by Bram.

This fork changes so much that its impossible that it will ever be accepted

Re:Neovim by bronson on Friday February 21, 2014 @07:56PM (#7280493)
I TOTALLY hear that.

Maybe an GCC/EGCS, eglibc/glibc, or (as nfm points out) Yarv/MRI scenario could work. First prove your mettle (will take donkey's years), then upstream can jump to your stable code base in one glorious commit.

Hope you can mention in the readme that upstreaming is not a goal... It might be hard to get the wording right but it would have made my first impression quite a bit less skeptical. :)

Re:Neovim by nfm on Friday February 21, 2014 @04:53PM (#7279684)
Maybe we can hope for an MRI/YARV scenario!
Re:Neovim by thetxef on Friday February 21, 2014 @01:58PM (#7278662)
the author has posted at least two different patches to vim dev google group. I dont think Bram even commented in any of them. Many others did.
Re:Neovim by kansface on Friday February 21, 2014 @03:43PM (#7279287)
Bram shows no interest in these sorts of things. Frequently, devs post to the vim mailing with a month or two of work on some new feature with no comment from the BDFL.
Re:Neovim by iso8859-1 on Friday February 21, 2014 @04:14PM (#7279482)
So why don't all these people get together and fork?
Re:Neovim by gkya on Friday February 21, 2014 @06:25PM (#7280145)
I have only superficially browsed vim sources some months ago. Vim source code is literally disgusting. The number of platforms vim runs on is close to Avogadro's number. It supports 5 or sth languages for customisation. I always had in my mind to fork the thing and remove all those languages, and strip off the compatibility stuff so it will be a pure Unix program, but I never got to do it.

Also, the source repository contains binary (.a, .dll) files, which I did not inspect. I always search the web for an alternative editor when I somehow browse the vim source repository.

Re:Neovim by count on Friday February 21, 2014 @09:47PM (#7280784)
The stripped down version is called 'vi' :)
Re:Neovim by gkya on Friday February 21, 2014 @11:18PM (#7280970)
Well, I decided I'll play with acme* editor a little bit, if I can't get on well with it, I'll probably go that way.

* http://research.swtch.com/acme

Re:Neovim by patrickdavey on Friday February 21, 2014 @01:53PM (#7278624)
Yes, I was surprised by this, and no mention of the project on vim.org ...