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Re:By The Time You Give Them a Raise, They’re Already Out Th... by bsder on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @05:15AM (#7257330)
> The CTO, who was a generally amiable guy, said "No, no, I get it, America is a capitalist country, you guys don't value loyalty" (he was from another country). I have never been so thoroughly insulted by what was probably meant as an innocuous statement.

Um, no, it was not innocuous--that was your misread. Invoking your loyalty in any context other than purely positive is an "out the door" flag no matter the culture.

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Re:By The Time You Give Them a Raise, They’re Already Out Th... by mcv on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @07:18AM (#7257693)
Yeah. Loyalty goes both ways. A company has no right to expect more loyalty than they're giving their employees. And a loyal company should give you that raise even before you ask.

That said, while I've worked for some really cool companies, with excellent contact with management, usually the way to get a raise was to get another job. (And usually I was ready for a change anyway; I shouldn't stay too long at the same place, no matter how much I like the people and the company.)

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Re:By The Time You Give Them a Raise, They’re Already Out Th... by MartinCron on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:15PM (#7259383)
Loyalty is shorthand for "you're going to go above and beyond for us and we're going to do the bare minimum for you".
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