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Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by Pxtl on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @04:06PM (#7227296)
That said, temperature works differently in hard vacuum - with no air to conduct/convect the heat away, isolated objects don't actually get "cold" the way they would in a pool of liquid nitrogen or something. Notice you don't hear about the ISS freezing at night.
Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by unspecified on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @04:38PM (#7227520)
The ISS is only in shade for 45 minutes at a time, which is orders of magnitude less than a lunar night.

But speaking of that: how long is too long to spend at 26K in a vacuum? Are there any good articles/videos that talk about what happens to various materials at such extreme temperatures in a vacuum?

Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by mpyne on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @06:00PM (#7228006)
I think the point of the parent comment was that simply being in a cold vacuum doesn't make you instantly cold. That still requires a process of heat transfer, which occurs in a fluid via conduction, convection, and radiation.

When immersed in a vacuum the conduction and convection heat transfer paths are sharply reduced, so the question then becomes how fast do you cool off via radiation alone?

I'm not a physicist so I don't know, but it's certainly nowhere near as fast as conduction/convection (in fact I believe heat dissipation was actually problematic for many spacecraft designs).

Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by lutusp on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @06:55PM (#7228373)
As it turns out, even on earth's surface, radiation is a more efficient heat transfer method than conduction and convection through the air. Objects under a clear sky quickly drop below air temperature in many circumstances.
Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by hrkristian on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @09:47PM (#7229015)
Thank you! I did an hour jog tonight, and most of that time was spent trying to figure out why there was frost on the ground with an air temperature above freezing and a warm breeze.
Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by dTal on Thursday February 13, 2014 @01:52PM (#7233309)
I wonder if heat might also be conducting downwards to the frozen ground below.
Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by grogenaut on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @10:25PM (#7229153)
What he's trying to say is that if you toss a rock into liquid helium or a 4 Kelvin zero g vacuum it's going to get colder faster via direct contact with the helium than via radiation in the vacuum.
Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by mpyne on Thursday February 13, 2014 @07:22PM (#7235800)
Wow, that seems amazing but now that you mention it I think I've heard of that happening even in deserts.
Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by lutusp on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @06:52PM (#7228348)
No, actually, a vacuum is an ideal environment for radiating heat away -- better than an atmosphere, certainly. Surfaces in lunar shadow really do drop to an extremely low temperature over a period of days.
Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by Dylan16807 on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @08:12PM (#7228695)
You changed the entire context by sticking the word 'radiating' in there. Yes vacuum is fine for radiation, but radiation is much slower than physical contact with standard pressure air.
Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by lutusp on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @10:48PM (#7229243)
> Yes vacuum is fine for radiation, but radiation is much slower than physical contact with standard pressure air.

Actually, it's the other way around. Under a clear sky at the surface of the earth, radiation is much more efficient than convection and conduction to air. This is why objects at the surface readily cool below air temperature at night.

Source: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/coobod.htm...

The linked example is a person losing heat energy under normal circumstances (23 C ambient, body temperature of 34 C). The example shows that a body loses 17 watts to perspiration, 11 watts to conduction (to the air and environment), and 133 watts to radiation.

Contrary to what many people think, a planet without an atmosphere loses heat to space very efficiently, solely by radiation -- indeed, that mechanism is more efficient in the absence of an atmosphere. But even with an atmosphere, radiation is the major heat loss mechanism, most more efficient than convection.

Re:China's Jade Rabbit lunar rover dies on moon by jellicle on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @09:26PM (#7228937)
A great deal of effort has gone into keeping the ISS at civilized temperatures:

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/as...

It's got 100,000 watts of solar power, so that combined with good insulation means it won't freeze as long as the panels keep working...