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Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by aarondf on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @12:49AM (#7061875)
Ok, help me out here: Dogecoin's first block was mined on 2013-12-06 and now the richest account has $846,935 USD. Is it really that easy?

Could I start an aarondfcoin? Is it all about getting the network effect to make a non-backed (fiat) currency actually worth something?

I was just so shocked to see that Dogecoin was actually worth anything.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by rallison on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:50AM (#7062023)
The short answer is yes. The longer answer is that you also need virality. There are multiple coins released every day [1]. Most of these coins go nowhere.

Why are so many coins released? Quite simply, most coins are forks of Bitcoin/Litecoin/etc with minor tweaks. Occasionally, you get a truly new coin based on something new, but most simply tweak the coins per block, the difficulty re-targeting rate, the starting difficulty, the block time, etc. Coingen.io exemplifies how simple this is. Of course, there are exceptions, such as the upcoming Etherium [2], the first Turing complete cryptocurrency (as far as I know, at least).

Despite that, most coins basically fail. Sure, they receive hashing power, and some even get onto exchanges. Most of them, however, don't really go anywhere.

So, yes, it is relatively easy to create and launch a coin. It is a bit harder to launch a coin that makes it to an exchange. It is harder still to make one that also sticks around and stays in the public consciousness (such as dogecoin).

Finally, let's say you have a great idea for a new coin. The way some people previously got rich by creating a new coin was to premine the coin. Basically, one would mine the first x number of blocks, before releasing it. This still happens, but is now much more often frowned upon. So, to get rich off of creating a coin, you basically would need to premine a coin, and convince others that you had a good reason to premine it [3]. This absolutely still happens, but is becoming tougher to pull off.

So yes, you could create aarondfcoin. Yes, you could probably release it and get hashing power thrown at it. But, would you make money doing so? Well, that requires a bit more effort. Keep in mind that there are hundreds of attempted alt currencies for every dogecoin success.

That said, yes, there is still room for success here, but it usually requires more than just creating aarondfcoin. The virality aspect is the more important aspect, at the moment.

[1] See the bitcointalk announcement forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0

[2] http://ethereum.org/ and the whitepaper: http://ethereum.org/ethereum.html

[3] Yes, there are a still a number of ways to make money off of releasing a coin that doesn't involve premining (or appears not to involve premining), but that is a topic worthy of its own thread.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by sireat on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @03:59AM (#7062325)
What is funny about premining critique for the altcoins is that Bitcoin is the most egregious example of premining, Satoshi in effect having premined 5 to 10 % of current coins. Sure, you may say at the time there was no choice but to keep hashing until others joined the party. Still the end effect is still the same - a large amount of BTC is controlled by an unknown entity.

Litecoin apparently was one of few altcoins to avoid premining that is everyone (who followed BTC forums that is) got off on equal footing.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by dasil003 on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @06:55AM (#7062837)
> What is funny about premining critique...

To me the funny thing is there is enough consternation over this to have an official term for it.

Satoshi, whether a group or individual, invented Bitcoin and planted the seeds for its success against all odds. Now that it's huge everyone is regretting not getting in early, but I see no reason why the creators and early adopters don't deserve their spoils.

It's nice that Litecoin decided to start everyone on equal footing, but let's not fool ourselves: that's an adoption tactic not altruism. At the end of the day Litecoin is the most successful of the copycat digital currencies but it's still a copycat.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by easy_rider on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @04:58AM (#7062494)
You make all the great points, but forget to mention scarcity. The most extreme I've seen is fourtytwo42 [1]. The scarcity combined with an extremely low difficulty in the start is a huge incentive for miners to flock to a new altcoin, and exaggerate its perceived value.

http://fourtytwo42.com/

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by rms on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @02:36AM (#7062119)
Whoa, ethereum. What kind of setup do I want to start mining ether from the start?
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by rallison on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @03:09AM (#7062198)
Based on what I've read, it is meant to be a memory-hard coin, so I would assume GPU (and, if like previous coins, an AMD-based card), or possibly CPU to start. That said, I've not yet read enough, so take the above with a grain of salt.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by MiWDesktopHack on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @03:20AM (#7062228)
Its scrypt based proof of work function, its a litecoin alt-coin derivative. It offers little over other scrypt based alt-coins. A UK company has announced they will be selling scrypt ASIC miner appliances in 2014.

If this cryptocurrency survives, it will be uneconomical to mine by the commoners sometime this year.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by msgilligan on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:01AM (#7061897)
You can go out and make aarondfcoin just like you can go out and make a viral video.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by krakensden on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:51AM (#7062026)
It's nominally worth $850k, but I am skeptical you could find someone to take the other side of that trade.

Dogecoin is like any other currency. The things that make it useful are belief and people willing to exchange things for it. It's unlike other currencies in that mostly the things being exchanged are electronic and not worth meatspacecoin.

There is, of course, no reason it has to stay that way.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by dirtyaura on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @02:55AM (#7062165)
tphyahoo, FYI, seems that you have been hellbanned for almost 4 years. That's such a long time that it feels almost evil. Maybe you should contact HN admins and ask for forgiveness.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by thomasnno on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:31AM (#7061970)
The currency (and the meme it is "based on") is somewhat attractive, its silly image made me laugh, and mine for a few days, getting 120 000 or so Doge. If enough people think it funny enough to use, and of low enough value to actually use instead of just hold, it may have a future as a low value tipping currency. Your aarondfcoin lacks that funny easygoing silly meme power, I belive.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by Houshalter on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:17AM (#7061938)
I can't explain why dogecoin is worth so much, probably just crazy speculators (after all, the only market is people using it as a joke/meme, no one is ever going to spend significant amounts of money on it - I hope.)

But yes you can create your own cryptocurrency and make a lot of money off of it. This is a good and a bad thing. Good because it should create competition to make better cryptocurrencies. It also helps build the currency as all the miners invest resources in it and get exposed to the currency and have an incentive to try to get others to use it. Bad because, well that money is coming from somewhere, and the users of the cryptocurrency are essentially paying a tax to the miners for not really contributing anything of value.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by jey on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:33AM (#7061981)
Except it's conceivable that having virality baked into it (e.g. being a "joke/meme") could actually help its adoption move much faster than it otherwise would. And once you have a cryptocurrency that has a lot of buy-in, why not use it for real transactions?

I'm not ready to say DOGE will win the cryptocurrency wars, but it certainly wouldn't the first time that a "joke" or "hack" turned into something real and lasting.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by Psyonic on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @12:58AM (#7061891)
Sure you can start aarondfcoin: http://www.coingen.io/.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by wielebny on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:33AM (#7061977)
Keep in mind that this generator uses premined genesis block - the same for all currencies. Creating new one, with unique genesis block, with adjusted difficulty can take some time.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by ubercow13 on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @06:04AM (#7062687)
What's the downside to having a reused genesis block?
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by wielebny on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @07:03AM (#7062867)
By mining your own genesis block, you can adjust starting difficulty. If the difficulty is set too low, then first miners will mine enormously more blocks, before the difficulty readjusts.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by KVFinn on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:24AM (#7061950)
When those people mined it it wasn't worth anything. It was a surprise to pretty much everyone that a joke became a real coin.

Now that people are trying to copy dogecoin it's going to be a lot harder to have that slow ramp.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by chunkstuntman on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @12:55AM (#7061882)
Good luck getting aarondfcoin to gain any sort of traction or following. If you can convince a committed and numerous group to believe in anything, it will be worth something.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by jsilence on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:32AM (#7061971)
If a local group decided to start their on local currency, just like a couple of groups do (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_currency), then using a bitcoin like system might make sense for them.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by robmcm on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @04:28AM (#7062409)
Like a hacker news coin?
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by jackgavigan on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @04:59AM (#7062499)
YCoin.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by robmcm on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @07:43AM (#7062996)
y combinator should do it, then they can pay all their startups in YCoins!
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by X4 on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @08:21AM (#7063149)
I'm in :) that would YRock!
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by finishingmove on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @09:07AM (#7063377)
YCoin? BecauseCoin.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by natmaster on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:32AM (#7061972)
People have tried to copy the success, but has failed horribly.

Dogecoin is special because it was first, and the early community built a loving friendly place. People like friendly doges.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by unreal37 on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @02:25AM (#7062095)
What was DOGE first at?

People love it because it started as a joke that they themselves were in on. And then the joke became real.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by superuser2 on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @12:57AM (#7061889)
That doesn't mean anyone would actually buy $846,935 of Dogecoin at once.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by GigabyteCoin on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @01:11AM (#7061927)
According to coinmarketcap.com there was about $875K USD of trading done yesterday.

If you premined the coin you could theoretically cash out about half of that value, and the minute after the coin would be dead.

Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by simondlr on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @05:30AM (#7062575)
Yes, exactly! It's all just a network effect of value. Read my post here: http://simondlr.com/post/70089813484/in-the-future-everyone-.... I believe, if go forward with what this entails, everyone will have their own cryptocurrency in the future.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by baddox on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @04:49AM (#7062467)
That part shouldn't be any harder to understand from an economic standpoint than the fact that a $1 lottery ticket can become worth millions of dollars overnight.
Re:Dogecoin now accounts for more transactions than any othe... by abus on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @10:08AM (#7063684)
As with any product or service, marketing is very important. You could start your own coin but you'd have to promote it well.