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Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by qdog on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @01:42AM (#7055735)
I'm getting old. Wasn't even aware of Nest. However, 5% of Google seems like a large amount of money to acquire a startup. What did I miss?
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by nikcub on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @01:50AM (#7055765)
> 5% of Google

More like 0.8% - $3.2B purchase on $375B market cap. Or it is around 10% of annual gross profit, or 6% of their cash reserve of $54B.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by Pxtl on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @09:59AM (#7057356)
... with that in mind, knowing Google's shortcomings?

If I were Google, I'd blow a fat wad of those billions and buy Sony. There's a company that would really fill in a lot of Google's gaps - gaming, consumer hardware beyond the cellphone scale, a big library of media properties to integrate into the Play store.

A quick Googling puts Sony's market cap at $18B. A big chunk of Google's cash reserves, but imagine how terrified Microsoft would be of Android-powered PS5s.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by uptown on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @10:49AM (#7057604)
"imagine how terrified Microsoft would be of Android-powered PS5s"

I'm not sure I agree with this. According to this article:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/01/20/sell-micr...

"Microsoft makes more than 75% of its profits from Windows and Office. Less than 25% comes from its vaunted servers and tools. And Microsoft makes nothing from its xBox/Kinect entertainment division, while losing vast sums in its on-line division (negative $350M-$750M/quarter)."

I realize they're trying to position the XBOX One as your home entertainment hub - but the bigger question is whether there's a future for home gaming consoles at all, or whether that functionality will just be folded into your TV, cast from your mobile devices, or handled by some other connected multi-purpose device.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by Pxtl on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @11:01AM (#7057693)
... what's the on-line division? Skydrive and Outlook/Hotmail?
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by efbenson on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @12:35PM (#7058372)
Bing. This is an older article and they are not losing as much money anymore, but Bing has cost MS a lot of money.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/20/technology/microsoft_bing/

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by nostromo on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @01:50AM (#7055760)
By market cap, the acquisition cost less than 1% of Google. (Still a very large number.)
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by bluthru on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @01:54AM (#7055776)
Especially since it's cold hard cash, not equity.
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by cmelbye on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @01:46AM (#7055748)
Beautiful understated home automation designed better than any other company has designed similar products in the past. You should really take a look, I'm surprised that it's possible to not have heard of them before.
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by hnriot on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @02:11AM (#7055810)
for 99.99% of the population a simple thermostat works just fine. And nearly all of them don't even understand that the temperature setting doesn't actually change the temperature of the air, but rather the duration it remains on. NEST is pretty, but way over engineered for the task. Consumers just don't need it. I'm all for technology and am an early adopter and of course have heard of NEST, seen them etc. Like you say, it's hard to imagine some one here not having done so, but my guess is the commenter has seen them, but just didn't take it in because "home automation" has a long legacy of being utter crap. When you get past the pretty design, there's nothing really to the thing. It's just a massively over engineered pretty consumer device that very few people need. I'm pretty sure Apple didn't buy them because they could just as simply designed their own. I fail to see why the thermostat can't (if Apple were to design it) not have a UI at all but rather just be a little plugin thing, maybe "Thermoport Express" and you use your iPhone to make changes from anywhere, don't even need to get up and look at the device. Any hardware solution quickly looks old. The iPhone (to Apple) is the UI for everything.
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by cloudwalking on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @04:50AM (#7056202)
Nest claims to save people, on average, 19.5% on their heating and cooling bill. If you're paying $50 per month for heating/cooling and you buy a Nest, you're now paying $40 per month instead.

Over a few years time, Nest quickly pays for itself, saves you money every month, and reduces your energy footprint.

It doesn't seem like a "massively over engineered pretty device that very few people need" to me.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by Nickoladze on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @07:57AM (#7056721)
It depends on how much you care about energy efficiency.

I, for instance, run 3 separate computers 24/7 when I could probably get away with combining them into 1 or 2 if I wanted. I could also turn them off when I'm not home. I just don't really care.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by cmelbye on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @11:42AM (#7057993)
Despite your personal preferences, I don't think it's really up for debate that a lot of people would, in general, like to spend less money than they currently spend.
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by kashkhan on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @02:52AM (#7055917)
> the temperature setting doesn't actually change the temperature of the air,

I am sorry... yes having a higher temp setting means the heat will on for longer (or ac for less) but it DOES change the temperature of the air. The thermostat measures the temperature and turns the mahcine on and off accordingly.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by marcosdumay on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @11:28AM (#7057869)
It doen not immediatly change the temperature. It acts by proxy.

If you never met one of those people that say "hey, it's too hot here, let me lower the thermostat" just after they turn the AC on, you are a very lucky guy.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by kashkhan on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @04:25PM (#7059833)
just like the steering wheel does not turn the car, and the rocket engine doesn't put the rocket into space.

The controller controls the input. The state changes, because the control input is changed.

The thermostat is not a timer.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by roel_v on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @09:47AM (#7057304)
Do you honestly not know what his point was?
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by kashkhan on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @04:26PM (#7059841)
I didn't argue with the rest of his point. That he said that the thermostat changes the time the burner is on is not true. A thermostat is not a timer. Time on is not the controlled variable.
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by roel_v on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @05:13PM (#7060163)
Come on, now you're taking semantic quibbling to farcical levels. Yes it is true that a thermostat is not a timer, nobody claimed that. What it (in it simplest form) does is turn on the burner until the set temperature has been reached.

My point was, for any reasonable, non-autistic reader, it was perfectly clear that the GP knows how a thermostat works and that his point was that many people think the thermostat changes the temperature that the burner generates, or at least whatever is output by that burner/installation (be it water or air). Now I don't have an opinion on that matter, but I'm annoyed by your littering of the conversation over a slight sloppiness in expression in a context that doesn't call for the level of correctness you, from your high horse, are calling for.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by kashkhan on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @03:46AM (#7062292)
> many people think the thermostat changes the temperature that the burner generates,

There might be many such people but that is not what he said. I apologize that my comment clashes with your aesthetic preference of what a discussion should look like.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by roel_v on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @04:11PM (#7066192)
Well I don't think we're going to agree but I upvoted you nonetheless because I like the style of your comeback :)
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by kashkhan on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @04:38PM (#7066358)
that's great. i don't really love thermostats that much:)
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @06:44AM (#7056493)
A "simple" thermostat is costing you hundreds of dollars a year.

You can probably get most of the savings with what the US apparently call setback thermostats:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_thermostat

(that page cites Consumer Reports as these will save you $180 per year, edit: and interestingly lower down it says that in actual deployments they may slightly increase bills/energy usage, main culprit? the horrible UI)

But a) even to get the basics they have a UI like programming VCRs, and so can't be what you refer to as "simple" and b) they have obvious failure modes that need babysitting and manual intervention like it taking longer to heat your house up during cold winters (or just an unusually cold day) so the time it comes on in the morning should be slightly earlier.

It's a real UI challenge, that if solved will save money and energy (which seems to be a thing Google is interested in generally).

There are already products that simply shift the UI into a smartphone app (like British Gas's Hive https://www.hivehome.com/) and otherwise are mostly just programmable thermostats but they mostly still have a box (for manual overrides) and cost as much as Nest, without looking as nice or having such clever software.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by maxerickson on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @09:48AM (#7057307)
$50 Honeywell thermometers, the programmable ones with the questionable UI, will adjust the pre heat interval on their own.

That isn't as fancy as responding to the weather, but the feature is pretty common.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by cmelbye on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @03:01AM (#7055943)
I think Google would probably disagree with you (and they'll bet $3.2 billion on it.)

Nest Thermostat has various concrete benefits, such as energy savings, general ease-of-use, and aesthetics, but more importantly it signals the beginning of other thoughtfully designed hardware experiences for the household from the company.

Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by hueving on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @02:06AM (#7055799)
To clarify, it's a very small part of home automation. Just thermostat and smoke detectors (as of recently). They haven't even branched into locks/lights/etc. I'm really excited to see where they go.
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by ajcarpy2005 on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @02:14AM (#7055818)
They have an nice, recognizable brand name for home automation, anyway: 'nest'
Re:On Google's Acquisition of Nest by jhonovich on Tuesday January 14, 2014 @01:55AM (#7055779)
Google's market capitalization is ~$375 billion so this would be just under 1% of their valuation.