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Re:Lost city in Darfur by state on Thursday January 09, 2014 @05:31PM (#7033763)
I don't think of myself as a luddite in any way, but one can't help but get the feeling that the image of the world brought to us by huge tech companies has gigantic holes in it.

When you spend all of your time inside of that image of the world it's difficult to see the gaps. I love this. It's as if he walked in to a void.

Re:Lost city in Darfur by mxfh on Thursday January 09, 2014 @07:13PM (#7034181)
This is more a shift in perception of what online maps are taken for. Online maps were traditionally made for one purpose only, car navigation, not to show a complete picture of the world.

And the only commercially geodata available in digital format, from a few specialized companies, were for car navigation in lucrative markets (like the US and Europe). It wasn't a given that online maps work properly or show more than base coverage outside those regions.

Only recently maps providers started integrating user created content. OSM as a whole is also surprisingly sparse outside those established markets.

Just a reminder, back in 2007 Mexico wasn't even covered by Google.

http://google-latlong.blogspot.de/2007/09/more-of-world-for-...

Re:Lost city in Darfur by eru on Thursday January 09, 2014 @10:40PM (#7034971)
> Online maps were traditionally made for one purpose only, car navigation, not to show a complete picture of the world.

That tradition didn't last much longer (if any?) than the current state has already lasted.

Re:Lost city in Darfur by maxerickson on Thursday January 09, 2014 @05:35PM (#7033773)
Microsoft generously provided the imagery he was using.

(Well, probably. Anyway, big tech companies are doing a lot of the work that goes towards satellite and aerial imagery being easy for people to access. So are governments. It just isn't as clear cut as you stated it.)

Re:Lost city in Darfur by state on Thursday January 09, 2014 @05:38PM (#7033789)
Of course, of course. I meant 'image of the world' in the broader sense — sort of like the "OK" from Mr. Penumbra's 24 Hour Bookstore.

I didn't mean to imply that they're purposefully ignoring things, but that it's difficult to create a methodology for mapping the world that doesn't ignore features of it — either by accident or as a rule.

Re:Lost city in Darfur by roywiggins on Thursday January 09, 2014 @05:48PM (#7033828)
Arguably, such a methodology would be unusable anyway:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonini's_paradox

Re:Lost city in Darfur by maxerickson on Thursday January 09, 2014 @05:53PM (#7033854)
state is talking about something more like fully capturing a limited set of the features that are visible at some given scale.
Re:Lost city in Darfur by pkinsky on Thursday January 09, 2014 @06:55PM (#7034103)
map != territory is the traditional phrasing.
Re:Lost city in Darfur by cpayne on Thursday January 09, 2014 @05:36PM (#7033782)
Couldn't agree more. Its like a Doctor Who episode.

- It shouldn't be there?

- Try telling that to the local population...

Re:Lost city in Darfur by vacri on Thursday January 09, 2014 @07:44PM (#7034300)
The context is "unknown to online mapping projects", not "unknown to humans". He's saying "This thing is missing from the catalog".
Re:Lost city in Darfur by cpayne on Thursday January 09, 2014 @08:00PM (#7034366)
Yes, but did you know it was missing?

My comment was to agree with the concept that its easy for me to blindly believe in what the big tech companies publish. Mapping or otherwise.

I love Doctor Who episodes where on the surface everything looks normal, but on closer inspection things are very different (eg Weeping Angels or The Silence).

Re:Lost city in Darfur by Someone on Friday January 10, 2014 @04:44PM (#7039695)
"one can't help but get the feeling that the image of the world brought to us by huge tech companies has gigantic holes in it."

Compared to the image of the world you get from your chair without those tech companies, I wouldn't describe it as 'holes', but as filling in 99% of the white areas.

Columbus didn't create a huge hole in the wolrd's map

Re:Lost city in Darfur by davidw on Friday January 10, 2014 @04:57AM (#7035915)
> the image of the world brought to us by huge tech companies has gigantic holes in it

When I was a kid I liked to go buy USGS maps of the area around where I lived. While what's online is certainly not perfect, I find the fact that I can get detailed, free maps of almost the entire world nothing short of amazing!