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Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by zvrba on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @07:18AM (#6920693)
When you agree to publish with Elsevier, you sign a contract where you agree not to publish the final version of the article on-line. Many (most?) Elsevier journals DO permit you to post the so-called "author's manuscript" if you also include the appropriate disclaimer. (Whether this is permitted is also written in the contract you sign.)

For example: http://zvrba.net/writings/fusion.pdf

In that light, I don't think Elsevier is the worst among bad guys. For example, you're also permitted to upload the unreviewed version to arxiv before submitting it to journal. Some other journals will outright reject the article because of its "prior publication".

Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by mrstew on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @08:05AM (#6920870)
Yeah, that was my first thought too. It's a shock because people are used to uploading their papers in final published form but I don't think it's a crazy thing for Elsevier to do.

We should take the opportunity to tell authors to upload author copies into their institutional repositories. That's do far more for open access than complaining about how evil Elsevier is.

Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by jbooth on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @09:03AM (#6921089)
It's a shock because the university system is paid for by us, by our tuition and taxes. People pay high tuition to go to research universities and the societal bargain USED to be that those tuitions subsidized basic research which is available to society. Elsevier isn't contributing shit compared to us, yet they can apparently lock up publication with a really small amount of money compared to the rest of the uni system.
Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by lutorm on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @04:48PM (#6924189)
It is my understanding that tuition never funds research, except possibly in the sense that it pays some fraction of faculty salaries and buildings in which the faculty have offices. The actual research is funded by grants.
Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by zvrba on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @08:34AM (#6920992)
> It's a shock because people are used to uploading their papers in final published form

How common is this? Aren't people used to reading what they're agreeing to before they sign a contract? Because:

> but I don't think it's a crazy thing for Elsevier to do

I don't think that either. Elsevier _clearly_ defines the terms ("accepted author's manuscript", "final published version", etc.) in their contract and clearly states what you're allowed to do with each one. For example, click on the "Author posting" tab on this link:

http://www.elsevier.com/journal-authors/author-rights-and-re...

I'm not a fan of the big publishers, I'd be very happy if all journals became open access overnight, but the original article is on a witch-hunt on Elsevier and they didn't even fully check the facts first.

Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by jboynyc on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @08:08AM (#6920878)
Also, encourage institutions to set up repositories. They're not yet as common as your comment implies.
Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by mathattack on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @10:02AM (#6921427)
Is it a war on access, or a defense of their contracts and profits?

I'm a big believer that all publicly funded research should be publicly available. But... If you sign away your research, don't be surprised when people want to keep it under wraps.

Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by davidgerard on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @08:26AM (#6920963)
They've been sending takedown notices for the preprint versions too.
Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by zvrba on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @08:56AM (#6921067)
You're not allowed to post your accepted manuscripts on "systematic distribution services" (except arxiv). Defined as:

"Subject repositories that aim to aggregate and openly distribute AAMs authored by researchers in specific subject areas."

(There's a difference between AAM and pre-print.)

Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by pseut on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @09:35AM (#6921269)
> Some other journals will outright reject the article because of its "prior publication".

I'm pretty sure that's a decision made by individual journals' editorial boards, not by the publishers.

Re:Elsevier steps up its War On Access by moocowduckquack on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @09:45AM (#6921326)
How many arvix papers have been rejected for publication because of this? Does it happen often?