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Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by sophacles on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:07PM (#6848780)
Serious question: what are the arguments in favor of language preservation?
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by at-fates-hands on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:48PM (#6849123)
That's easy - your culture.

"As languages disappear, cultures die. The world becomes inherently a less interesting place, but we also sacrifice raw knowledge and the intellectual achievements of millennia."

Ken Hale, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, quoted in Davis, W. 1999.

Language and your cultural identity are very tightly coupled. Without language you essentially lose your identity, which is why its crucial to preserve your language. It's one of your primary identifiers of you and your culture. Wenying Jiang stated it quite well in her paper, "The Relationship Between Culture and Language" when she says your culture is like an iceberg. Your language is the tip which sits above the water. The rest which sits under the water is the rest of your culture. Your customs, your religions, your societal norms.

Link to her paper which is worth a read: http://203.72.145.166/ELT/files/54-4-3.pdf

Also consider the following:

"With the loss of the languages, all kinds of wonderful things that the speakers did with their languages have also vanished, for example, some of the greatest works of oral literature ever produced–the multilingual performances with different characters speaking different languages that was found in the Pacific Northwest.

The highly elaborate dances that accompanied the oral tradition are frequently also gone.

Large amounts of local knowledge about fauna and flora, ecosystem management, local place names, spiritual values, and so on are all submerged, altered or gone because the original languages that expressed these concepts are gone or no longer well understood."

source: http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2009/11/15/0005_nati...

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by DanielStraight on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:25PM (#6848939)
Wikipedia[1] references a source[2] with a pretty good explanation:

"As each language dies, many sciences - linguistics, anthropology, prehistory and psychology - lose one more precious source of data, one more of the diverse and unique ways that the human mind can express itself through a language's structure, vocabulary and idiom."

Linguistics is obviously most affected. The variety of sounds and grammar used in languages in huge, and we wouldn't know about it without being able to study a lot of languages. I don't know if that has any economic value[3], but then neither does paleontology, but we consider that pretty important, important enough to preserve the available data.

Really, as nice as it would be to keep these languages spoken, preserving a complete grammar and audio recording of individual sounds as well as longer spoken passages would be enough for most purposes. But the problem is that this is a lot of work, and languages are going extinct faster than we can document them.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_preservation

[2] http://www.ogmios.org/manifesto/index.htm

[3] Well OK, some people get paid to invent languages for sci-fi/fantasy and a lot of linguistic data helps with that, but... that's not much.

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by salient on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:36PM (#6849018)
It's a good thing Google managed to scan all of the world's old books then, and also that they are working on perfecting translation between dozens of these languages. I doubt much will be lost. Plus, we can see it as a new beginning from now on, when everything will be in English, and all new science would be used by all.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by DanielStraight on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:39PM (#6849052)
The kind of languages we are talking about aren't recorded in books, many don't even have a written form. People have to go into the field and listen and record and write up grammars and such from scratch.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by sneak on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:55PM (#6849189)
Just because Google has the data doesn't mean all humans do.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by thejteam on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:12PM (#6848833)
I am not a linguist, but if it is true that language influences how we think then I would guess that it would be advantageous to have a multitude of thought patterns available.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by pouetpouet on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:13PM (#6848845)
Languages shape the mind. A language gives a special outlook on life and has its own reality. There are also specific linguistic features that are interesting to linguists and help to comprehend how languages work. One could also draw a parallel with genetic diversity.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by epaladin on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:25PM (#6848932)
This has been my experience with picking up a second language. There are concepts that are expressed in a single Japanese word that seem like they would need a small book to explain adequately in English. Maybe there are places where the language and culture aren't so intertwined, but Japan at least isn't one of them. So as much as I think the grand flattening of the world is great in some ways, I would be a little sad if we ended up with a global monoculture catalyzed by the coalescing of languages. Other cultures are just fascinating to explore.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by infruset on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:38PM (#6849036)
As a native French speaker, I agree with you. For technical discussions such as programming or engineering it can be argued that using one language (nowadays, obviously English) encourages cooperation and progress. However, in other domains, languages carry much more than a practical means of transmitting information, they bear a whole culture with them. Two examples which I hear and read a lot in the English speaking world but which are either impossible to translate in French or at least to utter without ridicule: "successful" (as in a person), and "evil" (as in, a dictator).
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by gliese1337 on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:37PM (#6849032)
In my opinion (as someone who works in NLP & computational linguistics), preserving more data on how languages can work is the most important bit. Languages do influence cognition a little bit, but not as much as most people think. Nevertheless, most people think that they do, and if you only know a few languages, its easy to get stuck thinking that, oh, this is how all languages must work, and this is inherently how people think.

This is a problem in contemporary linguistics- the "big" languages are really heavily studied and theories are developed to describe them accurately, nevermind that they may completely fail for, say, Xhosa or Straits Salish. The bias has been decreasing over the last few decades, but getting a really good idea of the real fundamental underpinnings of human language depends on all those minority languages not disappearing, undocumented, before we're done.

Of course, there are other reasons which are important to people working on other fields- languages are strongly tied to culture, and when a language dies, so does a lot of other cultural knowledge and practice that may be useful to ethnologists, psychologists, philosophers, etc.

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by normloman on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:49PM (#6849129)
It's my understanding that the language you speaks has only a small effect on your outlook. The gist behind the Sapir Whorf hypothesis was that the number of concepts you could grasp was limited by the language you spoke. But I don't think most linguists seriously believe this anymore. Research has shown language to influence our outlooks in limited ways, and even those findings are suspect, since some of the differences can be explained by cultural differences.

A good overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by Jun8 on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:27PM (#6848950)
It's a cultural artifact so your question, I think, is equivalent to asking the value of preserving any cultural artifact, e.g. a Greek kylix or an Inca quipu.

In addition to the above pure artifact preservation aspect language (when paired with a lot of text, this is not always the case, e.g. Etruscan language) can make available vast data about a community. When Asyyrian was decoded and the great libraries of tablets were discovered (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Ashurbanipal), our knowledge of the culture of the Ancient Middle East increased exponentially.

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by sputknick on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:14PM (#6848851)
I came here to ask the same thing. As I see if fewer languages lead to greater ease of commerce, which leads to increased wealth. It also leads to easier communication, which should lead to greater understanding and few conflicts. More wealth, less conflict. Sounds like a win all around!
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by normloman on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:53PM (#6849173)
We don't need to preserve languages per se. We need to record them before they disappear so that linguists, historians, and archaeologists will be able to decipher the written records of disappearing cultures.