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Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by nickff on Monday December 02, 2013 @12:35AM (#6831889)
Another interesting read in this vein is "Luck Versus Skill in Mutual Fund Performance" by Eugene Fama (who won the Nobel prize in economics this year).[1] He shows that even the most well-informed and intelligent investors cannot predictably outperform the market; some do very well and some do very badly, but this is exactly what you would expect from a large number of market participants pursuing different rational strategies.

[1] http://www.dimensional.com/famafrench/2009/11/luck-versus-sk...

Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by mjn on Monday December 02, 2013 @01:14AM (#6832066)
some do very well and some do very badly, but this is exactly what you would expect from a large number of market participants pursuing different rational strategies

This suggests a possible scam (probably not an original suggestion). Set up some large-enough number, maybe 30 or 40, shell investment companies. Each one trades according to a very specific but randomly generated strategy, which it publicly announces in advance. (Some care would have to be taken in generating the strategies, but they should be such that they're expected to match the market, when taken as an ensemble.)

After a few years, some of these strategies will have turned out to be successful, others haven't. Quietly wind down the unsuccessful ones. The successful ones now look prescient: this firm announced in, say, 2008, that the market conditions were such that strategy X is clearly correct going forward. And history has now borne them out: here, five years later, their prediction was right and their portfolio is up 1000%. Of course, there is missing information, that this was just one of 40 shell companies, and overall returns across all companies did not beat the market. But now this successful company can sell investment services/consulting/whatever on the basis of its individual track record.

I suspect actual investment consultants are effectively doing a distributed, non-coordinated version of this, even if not intentionally.

Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by ddeck on Monday December 02, 2013 @01:41AM (#6832146)
This is the basis of well known - potentially hypothetical - scam. Send 2^n emails out, half stating that stock X will go up tomorrow, half stating the same stock will go down. The next day, split the addresses that received the correct prediction in half, and repeat.[1]

[1] http://ask.metafilter.com/216295/Is-this-famous-investment-s...

Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by salvadors on Monday December 02, 2013 @05:36AM (#6832909)
Derren Brown used this approach to convince people he had a system for predicting the winners of horse races: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5OWh7luL4
Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by sbisker on Monday December 02, 2013 @02:38AM (#6832334)
This happens all the time - a firm will make a number of "exploratory" funds, with the losers being rolled into existing funds and the winners "graduating" to being full funds and promoted aggressively by the firm. (At least according to A Random Walk Down Wall Street, a great book that is very relevant to this thread.)
Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by abcd_f on Monday December 02, 2013 @03:50AM (#6832555)
There was a joke story based on the same idea.

A recent grad looking for a job with an investment bank picked 64 banks and sent each of them a letter introducing himself. To a half of them he also added that next week Ford stock will be up and to other half he said it would be down.

Next week, one half of the banks were off the list, because he was wrong. He split remaining banks in half again, sent another letter making his up/down prediction and repeated again for 4 more weeks. After 6 week there was just one bank on the list, but it was the one that saw him make an accurate prediction 6 times in a row. And so he sent them the job application.

Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by moocowduckquack on Monday December 02, 2013 @04:51AM (#6832734)
That isn't so much a joke as an actual scam that people do. http://scams.wikispaces.com/Stockmarket+Tips
Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by nerfhammer on Monday December 02, 2013 @03:48PM (#6836410)
If the investment newsletter business is any indication, he shouldn't stop sending letters to those for whom his predictions were wrong.
Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by bradleyjg on Monday December 02, 2013 @01:17AM (#6832078)
You've just described the hedge fund industry. Well that and insider trading.
Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by kd5bjo on Monday December 02, 2013 @09:15AM (#6833722)
I've heard that mutual fund companies do this. After a few years, underperforming funds get closed and good performers diversify their holdings until they perform like index funds -- The few years of luck at the beginning are enough to show higher overall returns.
Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by kybernetikos on Monday December 02, 2013 @05:06AM (#6832782)
Darren Brown did a stunt supposedly based on this idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Derren_Brown#...

Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by ronaldx on Monday December 02, 2013 @05:06AM (#6832781)
> The successful ones now look prescient: this firm announced in, say, 2008, that the market conditions were such that strategy X is clearly correct going forward.

My bank advised me to invest in "Investment Fund #17": their headline info was that this fund marginally beat market average in each of the last 3 years.

I decided to invest elsewhere.

Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by charleslmunger on Monday December 02, 2013 @05:05AM (#6832774)
This exact result is described by Buffet: http://www.tilsonfunds.com/superinvestors.html
Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by MarkMc on Monday December 02, 2013 @05:11AM (#6832808)
This seems like a foolproof scam because it would be completely legal and guaranteed to work. To make it seem even more legitimate I would set the timeframe to 10 years.

But here's what I don't get. It seems like such a reliable and lucrative scam that there should be dozens of managed funds who have grown by 1000% over the last 10 years. Where are they all?

Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by MarkMc on Monday December 02, 2013 @05:18AM (#6832846)
Good point. But how do you protect yourself from this scam? Do we always have to ignore the track record of every investment fund?
Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by spacehome on Monday December 02, 2013 @05:00PM (#6836876)
Yes.
Re:Why I don't trade stocks and (probably) neither should you by greendestiny on Monday December 02, 2013 @03:10AM (#6832440)
What if every fund manager had a certain non-zero level of skill - but the market price was such that the mean skill level returned no profit (or the risk free return rate). I guess this is more or less the efficient market hypothesis - except if you follow it through I don't think it says that there is no skill in stock picking - just that the skill is undetectable. Under those conditions a random strategy should do as well as the mean - and the mean return will simply be the average market return.