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Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by Aardwolf on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:04AM (#6814760)
How to actually get bitcoins?

I mean, seriously, I tried, but all my attempts were futile.

Why can't I just use a credit card or similar and buy bitcoints?

Back when they were $100, I really wanted to buy a bitcoin, spent half a day on it, but didn't manage to. I gave up everytime I needed to do something strange involving permissions with my bank.

Is there an easier way to get them? I live in Europe by the way.

Thanks!

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by oleganza on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:10AM (#6814791)
Its hard because it's easy to own and secure Bitcoins, but impossible to own money in USD, bank accounts or paypal. It's all a huge network of promises based on debt. When you transfer bitcoin, you really transfer ownership forever. When you transfer digital dollar, you just rely on a bunch of intermediate agreements to hold true unless judge decides another way. Paypal payments are reversible, CC payments too. Even bank wires can be reversed sometimes because it's still based on an agreement between banks. Even laws regulating these agreements are also promises to punish or reward people based on other people's decision.

Bitcoin is the only money you can really own. Other currencies are fragile and ephemeral.

http://blog.oleganza.com/post/67362431718/you-can-own-bitcoi...

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by jonknee on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:20AM (#6814846)
Have you not heard of cash? It's probably the easiest way to get BTC as well.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by oleganza on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:29AM (#6814895)
It's also riskier and a lot more expensive. Bitcoin holders are scattered across the globe. Finding a seller nearby is hard.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by gaadd33 on Thursday November 28, 2013 @02:54PM (#6816115)
How do you reverse a cash transfer? Like I hand someone $100 in cash.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by oleganza on Thursday November 28, 2013 @03:36PM (#6816313)
You can't. But you also can't make a cash transfer in 99.9% of global transactions (in volume) for many reasons. One of them is cash is physical. So cash does not really count.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by pmorici on Thursday November 28, 2013 @12:14PM (#6815395)
No intelligent person will sell you Bitcoins with a credit card because the transaction could be charged back and they wouldn't be able to recover the coins.

If you want to buy bitcoins and you are in the US go to Coinbase.com you can crate an account link it to your bank account and buy some coins very quickly. If you use an exchange like Mtgox or similar it could take weeks to get all the identity verification stuff approved. If you decide you want to day trade later get an account on CampBX, bitstamp.net or similar and use that but to start out Coinbase is the way to go.

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by kingnight on Thursday November 28, 2013 @02:20PM (#6816001)
Why switch to CampBX or bitstamp.net? What not just continue to use coinbase?
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by gaadd33 on Thursday November 28, 2013 @02:47PM (#6816099)
I would guess because coinbase doesn't allow you to keep a USD balance on their servers, its either pulling out of your bank account or pushing into your bank account. Both have pretty big delays if you are trying to day trade in the USD/BTC market.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by my_username_is_ on Thursday November 28, 2013 @03:33PM (#6816295)
also Coinbase has higher fees than if you use something like bitstamp
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by modeless on Thursday November 28, 2013 @11:40AM (#6815225)
The fact that it is hard to buy bitcoins is ironically the very problem bitcoin solves. Once you have some bitcoins, then no credit card company, bank, or government can prevent you from spending them on anything you want.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by XorNot on Thursday November 28, 2013 @05:50PM (#6816909)
You know, unless you need to buy sovereign currency - the thing the vast majority of life's necesssities are denominated in.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by pilker09 on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:07AM (#6814772)
> Why can't I just use a credit card or similar and buy bitcoints?

Chargebacks are the reason. If you buy a bitcoin with a credit card and I send you a bitcoin, you can get your money back from the credit card company and keep my bitcoin.

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by salient on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:36AM (#6814916)
What about Paypal? It seems to me they could really advantage of this by becoming the defacto way people use to buy Bitcoins (or at least one of the most popular methods). It's too bad they are so shortsighted about it, and only see Bitcoin as a threat.

Yes, Bitcoin is a threat, for the whole financial system for that matter, but it's much more of a threat for those who don't adopt it than for those who do. At least if Paypal adopted it, they could remain relevant in the future, and people would still use them.

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by dcc1 on Thursday November 28, 2013 @11:07AM (#6815091)
Bitcoin is Paypal biggest threat, Paypal have been ruthless in closing any accounts of anyone attempting to buy or sell bitcoins

And of course Paypal suffers from same problem as credit cards of chargeback and fraud

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by Aardwolf on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:09AM (#6814784)
Ok, so how to get a bitcoin (well 0.1 btc for me now that they are 10x as expensive as last time I looked) in a practical way without credit card?
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by vbuterin on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:18AM (#6814836)
If you are in the US, http://coinbase.com

In Canada, http://cavirtex.com or https://vaultofsatoshi.com/

If you are in Europe, http://bitcoin.de , http://bitcoin-central.net , https://www.bitstamp.net/

If you are anywhere, check out your local Bitcoin meetup group.

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by bobbles on Thursday November 28, 2013 @03:12PM (#6816209)
In Australia, I can vouch for CoinJar http://coinjar.io/

Took me about 30 mins total from wanting to buy to having my order placed.

(If you use NAB it will be even faster, I had to make a cash deposit at an NAB)

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by bnr on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:18AM (#6814835)
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by pilker09 on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:14AM (#6814819)
I don't have a good answer for that as I no longer buy bitcoins. My methods from when btc were cheap will no longer work.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by vetinari on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:17AM (#6814831)
For example, you can trade at bitstamp.net using SEPA transfers.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by theboywho on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:26AM (#6814877)
>> How to actually get bitcoins?

There are lot of services that allow you to buy Bitcoin and people have already listed a few, but here's another option:

Start charging for Bitcoin. It's funny how few people think about this.

"How to get USD?" You do some work that another person is willing to give you USD for.

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by bernatfp on Thursday November 28, 2013 @11:05AM (#6815077)
I'm also from the EU and used to have BTC (now I'm into LTC), so here is how I do it:

Register in Bitstamp or Kraken (my favourite exchanges).

Validate your account. You have to provide some sort of proof of identity and address. This is asked by governments and if they don't comply with them they can be closed without any previous notice, like it happened with the exchange bitcoin24. It can take up to 1 week.

Deposit cash. Companies like Visa/Mastercard/PayPal don't want to deal directly with BTC, that's why a bank transfer is more convenient. Being European you probably have cash in a SEPA bank, which is an advantadge because most exchanges accept SEPA deposits at a very low fee (much cheaper than a Wire Transfer) and they are usually very fast (1-2 working days).

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by mobweb on Thursday November 28, 2013 @02:44PM (#6816085)
The main thing that's kept me from making a deposit with one of these services is the fact that I have to hand over a complete proof of my identity. Seeing how many of these services seem to get hacked lately I'd be too worried about somebody stealing my documents and a hacker getting ahold of these personal documents that could easily be used to impersonate me...

But on the other hand I also understand that these services have to be very careful so they don't get abused themselves.

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by sireat on Friday November 29, 2013 @04:09AM (#6818538)
My problem with the exchanges is that they are not transparent, the people behind them are either unknown or rather incompetent (how many snafus has MtGox had in the last 3 years?). So as an European I have to send funds with SEPA to some unknown entity in UK/Slovenia/Bulgaria AND provide all my private information? Meanwhile, the owners could take off any day tomorrow with the BTC and the information.

BTC exchanges are operating in EVE like territory, the only reason to trust them is because they have not run away with the money YET. Ironically, this benefits MtGox the most, who despite/because of the ridiculous withdrawal limits have managed to stay in the business the longest.

The only exception that I would be willing to trust is Coinbase and that is only because of YC connection, and that is no guarantee either but the best for now.

BTC will only take off for the masses, when there is a reputable company offering banking/trading services with BTC.

Localbitcoins have to do for now, but is not something that scales very well.

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by codfrantic on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:10AM (#6814796)
Judging by your name,

http://www.bitonic.nl/

iDeal...

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by Zidewinder on Thursday November 28, 2013 @05:08PM (#6816712)
Edit: Just noticed you live in Europe. They do have a SEPA option for European customers, but I imagine the process is somewhat different, and SEPA listings are relatively sparse. Sorry!

www.bitquick.co

Prerequisites: A bitcoin wallet to receive the coins, and some cash.

1: Click Buy, browse through the offers and pick one that has a reasonable price and uses a geographically convenient bank.

2: Submit your bitcoin address and your desired amount, write down the bank account info that appears, go to the bank, and deposit the specified amount of cash into the seller's account.

3: Take a picture of the deposit receipt and email it to BitQuick.

4: Bitcoins will be sent from escrow to the address you specified earlier. Done!

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by taigeair on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:19AM (#6814845)
I was the same. I tried to use BTC-e, Canadian one, and coinbase. None worked and took too long. So... I got a forex account and bought a position on BTC. It's the fastest way in.

Let me know if you want a referral.

Also it's more liquid than buying actual BTC and then selling them I think. Just be careful about using leverage.

I left finance in 2009. I never thought I'd get back into trading...

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by salient on Thursday November 28, 2013 @11:33AM (#6815192)
I'm not an expert in forex, but as far as I know, high volatility commodities can quickly wipe out forex accounts, especially with such low amounts.

It does seem like a very interesting strategy though, that can probably make one even more money than investing directly in Bitcoin, but for that to work I think you need a sizable ($10,000?) amount, and only invest a few hundred dollars at most in that position. That way you can still make a lot of money if Bitcoin keeps increasing, but if it does happen to drop quite a lot, at least there's a much smaller chance of losing all the money.

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by simonebrunozzi on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:38AM (#6814933)
Interesting. Can you send me more info?
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by taigeair on Thursday November 28, 2013 @11:08AM (#6815098)
http://www.avatrade.com/

Put in $300 and they give you $300. I opened it yesterday got a position on BTC same day (would be fun to get real BTC though). You can buy .01 lot with $300.

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by gaadd33 on Thursday November 28, 2013 @02:53PM (#6816110)
How do they take a position in BTC? Or is it just a casino? i.e. if I put 50K into an account there and used it to buy $250K of BTC, that should have a pretty drastic impact on the market looking at mt gox's order books, does that actually happen?
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by taigeair on Thursday November 28, 2013 @05:47PM (#6816889)
My understanding is they net it if someone takes an opposing position and if not, they hedge by buying contracts or BTC outright.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by taigeair on Friday November 29, 2013 @09:44AM (#6819534)
I'm not sure if this works but if you want to help out, you can use this referral link:

http://www.avatrade.com/?ref=38634

Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by davedx on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:58AM (#6815047)
I live in the Netherlands. I use Bitstamp with a bank transfer to their bank, wait for the funds to clear, buy the BTC. Usually takes 1-2 days for the whole process.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by mpg33 on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:20AM (#6814849)
localbitcoins.com is good....just look for a reputable seller
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by lukifer on Thursday November 28, 2013 @12:34PM (#6815526)
They also provide escrow. The seller can release funds on their phone, and you'll get an authenticated notification on your phone immediately.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by celticninja on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:49AM (#6814989)
you cannot buy with creditcards, try localbitcoins.com but you would need to buy them using your bank account or cash in person.
Re:MtGox launches Bitcoins.com, an information site for all ... by wellboy on Thursday November 28, 2013 @10:27AM (#6814886)
www.virwox.com and you can get up to $390/day through credit card or paypal instantly.