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Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by fletchowns on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @02:58PM (#6770708)
That's why you run your own "cloud" music service. Personally I use Subsonic, and it is amazing.

http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by err4nt on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @04:06PM (#6771179)
I used to run Subsonic, now I'm loving http://plexapp.com and the (paid) iOS app.

I'm also an Rdio and Netflix subscriber, but running Plex on my server allows me to 'roll my own Netflix' and stream movies and music to my iPad or other computers, or even from my server to any computer in the web browser. I'm happy.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by antihero on Thursday November 21, 2013 @07:17AM (#6774270)
Man, I can't get Plex to run. It looks so excellent but whenever I try and play anything I get "Media player error! Resetting" and then nothing happens.

Edit: Rebooted phone and it works now. Holy shit this is cool, and I can even share my media library with friends!

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by gcb1 on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @11:38PM (#6773073)
so, all that gets you is a interface and some search?

i just have an apache serving all my videos and a bookmark on any device browser. click and play. for android i use mx player.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by sandGorgon on Thursday November 21, 2013 @01:03AM (#6773302)
Plex is the only solution that I have found that seamlessly plays video on my flatscreen through my mobile with the content being served from my laptop.

Before you ask - yes I used to be running xbmc, minidlna, etc. previously. No, they are nowhere as good (actually, to rephrase, the client-server model is not xbmc's focus, which is completely wrong IMHO).

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by themstheones on Thursday November 21, 2013 @12:23PM (#6775966)
So you can set up apache to host movies on a home network, then stream them with VLC? That sounds like a fantastic solution. Is there a solution for playing music this way on something resembling a stereo that supports playlists?
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by sciurus on Thursday November 21, 2013 @02:29PM (#6776810)
Also there's Ampache.

https://github.com/ampache/ampache

https://web.archive.org/web/20130302160313/http://ampache.or...

https://web.archive.org/web/20130306044144/http://ampache.or...

Within the last year the project ditched their website in favor of just using github. However, strangely they didn't migrate any the content from their website to it.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by rjbwork on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @03:22PM (#6770874)
I also use subsonic and love it. It's unfortunate that the author moved to a monthly/yearly subscription model. Luckily, I am grandfathered into a lifetime premium membership with a free dynamic DNS address, which is really nice.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by nnnnni on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @08:08PM (#6772460)
Or you can use Supersonic or Madsonic, which are forks without the "forced donation for open source software" problem.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by lazylizard on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @08:28PM (#6772529)
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by adamwong246 on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @05:51PM (#6771811)
MPD ftw
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by acheron on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @03:17PM (#6770840)
Sounded really good until I got to the part about needing to pay a subscription fee.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by fletchowns on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @04:24PM (#6771287)
It's ONE DOLLAR per month. ONE DOLLAR! And it's only if you want the extra features. Would you rather have ads be inserted between your songs or something? The development of the app needs to be paid for one way or the other.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by csmuk on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @04:53PM (#6771453)
One dollar is too much for something that was a solved problem (media sync).
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by fletchowns on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @06:26PM (#6772020)
How is that a solved problem?
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by csmuk on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @06:38PM (#6772081)
How is it not?

Plug shit into PC, two way sync. WinPhone and iOS do this fine.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by antihero on Thursday November 21, 2013 @07:07AM (#6774230)
Ah yes, the old "sync 600GB of MP3s onto a 32GB device" trick.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by csmuk on Thursday November 21, 2013 @10:37AM (#6775151)
Yes because you really need 600GB of mp3s which on the back of an envelope calculation is over 1000 days of listening for 8 hours a day at a reasonable bitrate with no repeats...

I'm sure, at amazon prices which is a fair approximation including CDs, you didn't spend $100,000 on them either.

This is really not a problem. Well it is but only greed created it.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by antihero on Saturday November 23, 2013 @08:44PM (#6788290)
You miss the point. The idea is not to be able to listen to all music, but any music from one's collection.

Putting this down to greed? What an incredibly short sighted, ignorant thing to say. Perhaps we should have stopped at black & white feature phones because only greed could mean we wanted to access the whole internet on the move?

It isn't a "solved problem" because there are still issues with the solution.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by WoodenChair on Thursday November 21, 2013 @07:00PM (#6778439)
You don't understand: All music must be in FLAC because MP3/AAC/WMP just "doesn't sound right".
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by themstheones on Thursday November 21, 2013 @12:19PM (#6775925)
I just copy it all over the internet. I can't countenance making multiple trips with a usb key, or even worse lugging around an external hard drive.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by ozh on Thursday November 21, 2013 @09:45AM (#6774879)
Which has to be reason #2 or #3 why I hate iTunes with passion.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by euank on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @04:11PM (#6771211)
You don't need to. Since subsonic is Open Source, there's naturally multiple forks with the licensing code removed. The best fork, which also adds features, is madsonic[0]. I recommend it. In addition, if you already have subsonic, the license code is simply a check if your password = the md5 of your email. So using "[email protected]" and "23463b99b62a72f26ed677cc556c44e8" will make it think you're a valid subscriber and give you all features.

[0]: http://www.madsonic.org/

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by pacificmint on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @06:22PM (#6771999)
> the license code is simply a check if your password = the md5 of your email

That used to be the case, but the newer versions actually phone home and verify the license.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by euank on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @07:39PM (#6772344)
Thanks for the information. It was true the last time I used subsonic, but that isn't all that recently. Still, I have no doubt it wouldn't be hard to remove it from the code.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by cheapskate on Thursday November 21, 2013 @06:02AM (#6774058)
echo "127.0.0.1 subsonic.org" | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by wattengard on Thursday November 21, 2013 @02:29AM (#6773500)
Sorry but the front of that page made me throw up a bit in my mouth and just close it back down again...
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by 72deluxe on Thursday November 21, 2013 @04:31AM (#6773817)
I like how they used a massive picture and then scaled it down in the IMG tag instead of just resizing the picture and putting it on the page. Very entertaining...!
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by vacri on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @03:57PM (#6771126)
You don't need to. It's a freemium model - paying a subscription gets you some extra features, like apps for mobile.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @03:35PM (#6770989)
We all need to eat.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by nitrogen on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @03:50PM (#6771082)
But it seems those music listeners in this thread are the type that prefer a single up-front cost over a recurring subscription.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by ams6110 on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @06:05PM (#6771907)
From the site: Based on Java technology

Ugh.. lost me. I don't run Java anything anymore.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by smoyer on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @06:36PM (#6772073)
I hear a lot of people claim that, but the reality is that many people run applications they don't realize are Java, and a lot of the infrastructure you rely on runs Java behind it.

As a JavaEE architect/developer, I whole-heartedly agree that you shouldn't run Applets in your browser anymore. In fact, unsigned applets will no longer run after January of 2014, which will break a lot of the banking infrastructure and a couple important client applications at my day job.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by laumars on Thursday November 21, 2013 @02:14AM (#6773466)
This isn't even a java applet. It's java server side code. There is absolutely no reason for the former poster to boycott this aside from ignorant pig-headedness (and this is coming from someone who isn't exactly a fan of java himself)
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by potangina on Thursday November 21, 2013 @04:09AM (#6773757)
what is that?
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by lelandbatey on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @06:33PM (#6772054)
Well then, I guess you're going to miss out on some great technology for a pretty dumb reason.

Java may not be amazing, but it's hardly "so bad I literally won't ever use it."

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by airtonix on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @10:40PM (#6772926)
not really... there are better alternatives that don't use java.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by fletchowns on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @06:24PM (#6772012)
Thanks for the worthless comment!
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by thibaut_barrere on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @06:53PM (#6772155)
I think he has a tiny point actually: I saw a number of people around me removing Java (or not installing it on new computers) after the numerous vulnerabilities reported recently. Just a data point but well - I wonder if this could affect sales of java-based product etc.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by ams6110 on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @10:45PM (#6772946)
This is why. The never ending stream of security issues. The installer hijacking my browser search bar. The never ending nags about new versions, which hijack my browser all over again. It's just not worth it. I have removed Java from all my computers and will never install it again.

I fully realize many web sites and services are implemented in Java, that's not what I was talking about. I will not install or run anything that needs Java. Period.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by laumars on Thursday November 21, 2013 @06:36AM (#6774143)
You can run Java applications and secure them from the web. Just disable Java applets from your browser (most have an option in the browser itself; those that don't will have extensions to do the same - like you would to block Flash plugins)
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by mnw21cam on Thursday November 21, 2013 @12:36PM (#6776043)
Just don't install a java plugin for the browser. Simple.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by dkersten on Thursday November 21, 2013 @12:44PM (#6776094)
I've never ever had this problem, but I also run OpenJDK, so...
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by mnml_ on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @06:49PM (#6772133)
right, you don't run Java. Java is everywhere so unless you live in the jungle I'm quite sure you use it everyday.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by coldtea on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @10:10PM (#6772832)
One can very easily not run any desktop Java apps, and not run any applets. That's what he meant, and that's what matters.

Who cares if he still uses some website that is build on servlets server side, or if his tv/car/fridge has a Java running CPU? That's totally besides the point.

Java is not "everywhere". In fact it's getting nowhere fast (including it's use on microcontrollers and devices). The only exception is server side, where it's also not what it used to be these days...

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by maemilius on Thursday November 21, 2013 @12:14AM (#6773170)
Java may be going nowhere fast as a language, but the JVM isn't going away anytime soon.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by coldtea on Thursday November 21, 2013 @12:49AM (#6773264)
If you combine Scala, Clojure and Groovy, you still don't have enough momentum on the scape of what Java had or even Python.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by pkolaczk on Thursday November 21, 2013 @05:57AM (#6774040)
Scala is more popular now than Python was at the same age, and it is used for much more serious stuff than currently Python is.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by leoedin on Thursday November 21, 2013 @11:40AM (#6775615)
What does "serious" mean in this context? Is it another way of saying high load? Enterprise? Is scientific computing serious? How can you say that one platform is used for "much more serious stuff" when you almost certainly have no idea what 99.9% of all python (or Scala) installations are being used for.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by MrGando on Thursday November 21, 2013 @08:33AM (#6774557)
Do you happen to have a source for this (genuinely interested) :)
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by bphogan on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @09:14PM (#6772654)
You're really missing out. Subsonic is amazing. You should at least look at it a little bit.
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by dkersten on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @07:05PM (#6772212)
Serious question: why?
Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by serf on Wednesday November 20, 2013 @08:12PM (#6772471)
Well, I wouldn't let Java stop me from using something, but to play devil's advocate :

"Because I have a resource limited platform in which I cannot handle many dependencies."

Subsonic on a Cubieboard is a dreary task.

Re:Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013 by dkersten on Thursday November 21, 2013 @12:42PM (#6776086)
That sounds reasonable enough, but doesn't really explain the statement "I don't run Java anything anymore."

Limited resource platforms can run java just fine - but large software with many dependencies, sure, that's a valid concern.