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Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by hbbio on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @06:55AM (#6682226)
We have been working on such project in our own Opa technology for quite some time.

Do you think we should work on an open source solution for https://peps.mlstate.com ?

The project is a very clean webmail server, starting with our clean protocol implementations (SMTP, POP, IMAP) and does not require external projects.

Try with hn/hn...

Update: Please don't change the password for this hn account. As an admin, I can reset it, but have better things to do today ;)

Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by jlgaddis on Thursday November 07, 2013 @11:47AM (#6690426)
> starting with our clean protocol implementations (SMTP, POP, IMAP) and does not require external projects.

I'm curious of the reasoning behind your decision to reimplement SMTP instead of just using Postfix, for example. I run mail servers for an ISP (and myself) and take advantage of a lot of the "advanced" functionality that Postfix has acquired in the last 15 years.

Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by hbbio on Thursday November 07, 2013 @02:04PM (#6691629)
The initial goal of the project was to have a total control on the TCB (Trusted Computing Base) of a webmail for high security environments, in order to be able to pass certifications such as Common Criteria (EAL).

Our protocol implementations use a specific DSL, that generates Opa code which is strongly statically typed with high-level types such as variants/rows. Although we currently lack many features or optimizations, the approach is clean and much easier to certify.

Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by schrodinger on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @09:34AM (#6682834)
Mobile site needs some work.. But one suggestion is turn off autocomplete and autocapitalize for the username box... Makes logging in on iOS hard.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by rattray on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @09:15AM (#6682729)
I'm getting an SSL error.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by hbbio on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @02:47PM (#6684985)
Yes, our certificate is self-signed for this demo. "Not to worry."
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by markwakeford on Thursday November 07, 2013 @12:44AM (#6687788)
http://www.startssl.com/ No excuses its free :)
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by shubb on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @08:34AM (#6682557)
This is pretty cool. Will you do any kind of personal variant for gmail refugees?
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by hbbio on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @08:44AM (#6682592)
Thanks.

Yes, we are thinking about the following business model for PEPS, which was built for an important account but of which we own the IP.

1. Open source under the AGPL license, so that anyone can host its own instance easily and hopefully we can build a community around the product. 2. Sell support (together with a non-AGPL license for corporations).

OR

1. Open source under the MIT license the current product. 2. Sell a complete packaged solution with add-ons for corporate users.

Any feedback between the two?

Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by airencracken on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @05:20PM (#6685919)
AGPL would be perfect for such a product.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by angersock on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @11:53AM (#6683659)
Voting for 2...AGPL is like biohazard level 4 viral.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by rufugee on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @03:33PM (#6685316)
How exactly would it be viral in this case? I ask because it's damned confusing. Since this would be an email server, wouldn't it be a drop-in component in most folks' infrastructure? If I understand it correctly, it would just require me to make the source code of the email server/client itself available to my users...not any of my other unrelated infrastructure apps, correct?
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by ensignavenger on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @04:46PM (#6685731)
This is the problem with the GPL/AGPL- what exactly must be open sourced under what conditions has been debated many times, and different people/groups have come to very different conclusions.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by belorn on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @07:10PM (#6686560)
The "Corresponding Source" for a work in object code form means all the source code needed to generate, install, and (for an executable work) run the object code and to modify the work, including scripts to control those activities. However, it does not include the work's System Libraries, or general-purpose tools or generally available free programs which are used unmodified in performing those activities but which are not part of the work.

Please point out what exactly the different conclusions are to that text.

Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by ensignavenger on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @10:29PM (#6687293)
I am not an expert on the various points of the debate- I only know it exists. You can Duck Duck Go for "gpl derivative work definition" and find some references to this debate. Perhaps someone else has a specific answer for your question, sorry.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by riquito on Thursday November 07, 2013 @05:26AM (#6688666)
Correct, just the source code of the AGPL application, not of your server.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by angersock on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @03:35PM (#6685332)
I was under the impression that AGPL requires the open-sourcing of everything that touches user data at any point in the pipeline.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by teddyh on Thursday November 07, 2013 @02:26AM (#6688110)
The AGPL is exactly the same as the GPL, except that if there is a button to click to download the source code of the program, you are not allowed to remove that button.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by angersock on Thursday November 07, 2013 @11:28AM (#6690279)
From the AGPL FAQ:

If the Program as you received it is intended to interact with users through a computer network and if, in the version you received, any user interacting with the Program was given the opportunity to request transmission to that user of the Program's complete source code, you must not remove that facility from your modified version of the Program or work based on the Program, and must offer an equivalent opportunity for all users interacting with your Program through a computer network to request immediate transmission by HTTP of the complete source code of your modified version or other derivative work."

That last part--"derivative work"--is somewhat the rub.

Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by belorn on Thursday November 07, 2013 @10:47PM (#6694316)
If that part of the informal FAQ worries you that it might be interpreted in some strange way, just look at the actually license and read it.

Notwithstanding any other provision of this License, if you modify the Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users interacting with it remotely through a computer network (if your version supports such interaction) an opportunity to receive the Corresponding Source of your version

The definition of Corresponding Source code is listed earlier in this HN thread.

Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by belorn on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @07:03PM (#6686528)
And WTFPL which you are using is the level 5 of foul language, and the death sentence to software names.

See, I can also use offensive language to describe a license. Doesn't that make for a nice conversation here on HN?

Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by angersock on Thursday November 07, 2013 @11:20AM (#6690221)
To be fair, if you use our code under the WTFPL (and don't, because it's like three versions and two test suites out of date, at this point!) we don't require that you open-source any other part of your stack.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by liuliu on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @02:10PM (#6684726)
have you setup Exchange protocol support (for pushmail on iOS devices)? Gmail disabled Exchange protocol support for newer devices, that would be my main motivation to move away from Gmail.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by hbbio on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @02:33PM (#6684891)
Turns out we _do have_ an implementation of ActiveSync in Opa!

That said, as we need to make a living, and if we go the MIT way (see comments below), there are high chances that the Exchange support will be a paid extension.

Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by specto on Thursday November 07, 2013 @02:21PM (#6691755)
This would simplify my life for sure.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by jawr on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @08:15AM (#6682493)
Very nice interface. Kudos.
Re:Show HN: I'm working on an open-source Gmail replacement by hbbio on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @08:46AM (#6682599)
Thanks go to @tweetfr