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Re:An interview with Bill Gates by zaptheimpaler on Saturday November 02, 2013 @04:49AM (#6658585)
He's right. Poverty, disease and basic things like that are things about _survival_, the internet is not.

But mainly, the title is provocative and misleading. The article clearly states, he was asked a leading question "asked whether giving the planet an internet connection is more important than finding a vaccination for malaria", and he answered. The title makes it seem like he went out of his way to make the comparison and put himself on a pedestal, but thats not what happened.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Xylakant on Saturday November 02, 2013 @05:41AM (#6658682)
> He's right. Poverty, disease and basic things like that are things about _survival_, the internet is not.

I'd say he's at least partially wrong. Diseases are often cause by lack of knowledge and education, outburst can often be contained with good means of communication. I know people doing projects that use the internet (or cellphone text messages) to allow remote villages to better manage the available health resources. Internet connectivity allows the local healing person, often a nurse or similar level to send pictures and descriptions of wounds and health issues to a qualified doctor. This allows the doctors to actually go to the villages where they're needed most - actually saving lives. So the internet may very well be a live-saving thing.

The other point that people forget is that it's extremely hard to completely eradicate a disease. The only disease that I know of that's completely eradicated is the small pox. Polio, leprosy and even the black death are merely contained to a varying degree, often only in developed countries even though vaccines or cheap, effective treatments exist. So investing in connectivity and helping to spread information may actually be a viable path.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by vidarh on Saturday November 02, 2013 @05:52AM (#6658701)
> Diseases are often cause by lack of knowledge and education

Case in point: Polio is endemic in only three countries today: Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria. While in Afghanistan it'd be possible for it to be down to the war, in Pakistan and Nigeria it is down to skepticism and misinformation from religious groups (often based in past experiences) that are often amongst the most important information bearers in their communities. When people don't have other sources than a government they don't trust and other biased groups giving them false information, it's no wonder many misinformation proliferate.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by makomk on Saturday November 02, 2013 @01:23PM (#6659894)
I'm sure the CIA operatives posing as vaccination teams didn't help make vaccination any more popular in Pakistan either.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by legulere on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:25AM (#6659103)
Also there's an outburst in syria lately.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by vidarh on Saturday November 02, 2013 @11:31AM (#6659467)
There are small outbreaks in lots of countries now and again. Combination of international travel and patchy vaccine coverage causes that.

The difference with Afghanistan, Nigeria and Pakistan is that it is endemic at least in parts of the countries, meaning it is regularly found in the population and that it is self-sustained. Elsewhere the outbreaks are sporadic and isolated enough that they die back.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Xylakant on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:28AM (#6659114)
There was an outbreak in the USA in 2005 though no one suffered permanent damage: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/08/health/08iht-polio.html?pa...
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by deskamess on Saturday November 02, 2013 @06:58AM (#6658826)
Communication is the key.... and the internet is generally pretty awesome for that. However, for rural medicine, the prerequisite (assuming infrastructure exists) is the ability to retrieve and parse the information. You need to be literate, have access to an internet enabled device, and know how to search for what you think ails you. Language could be a barrier too.

Use of social worker and nurse pairs to do rural visits and vaccinations are much more effective. Verbal communication in the local language can communicate any extra information they need. Question and answer sessions are more fruitful. There is much more information to be gleaned about the community as a whole with a visit. The social worker and nurse can always update data when they get back to a location with internet access and provide a lot more medical context than the residents.

I agree it is not an either or proposition. However I believe the more effective solution, under current conditions, is the human visit. While that happens, continue to build up the infrastructure around these areas; not just internet, but access to clean water, roads to take people to hospitals, access to electricity (local or from a grid), etc.

Steps have to be taken in all directions to grow the radius of community well being.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Xylakant on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:57AM (#6659184)
> roads to take people to hospital

The population density in some developing countries is extremely low. Botswana for example has roughly 2mio inhabitants of which roughly a quarter live in Gabs and yet another maybe 10% in the next 5 bigger towns. That leaves the rest of the country with an average population density of less than 2person/square km. Bringing people to a hospital by car on a good road can easily take a day or more. It's also not viable to have an educated doctor able to make that choice in each of the remote villages. So you really really need to find a good way to offload that decision to a person that's remote.

n.b. Botswana is a fairly well developed country, I just choose it as an example since I have family ties there and know the situation better than say Namibia which is similar in the population distribution.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by sanskritabelt on Saturday November 02, 2013 @10:35AM (#6659308)
It's true that diseases are often caused by those things, but in this particular case malaria is caused by the /Plasmodium/ organism and transmitted via infected mosquitoes.

If you're imagining a situation in which one individual in an outlying community gets sick with mysterious symptoms that turn out to be malaria, you have simply failed to grasp the magnitude of the problem.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Xylakant on Saturday November 02, 2013 @05:08PM (#6660813)
I have family ties in Southern Africa, I've been there multiple times, I've seen it and I still don't think I grasp the magnitude of the problem. However, on thing I know for sure: The problem is not limited to large portions of the population being infected with malaria. They also have a wide variety of other, quite nasty diseases that will all still be around once you eliminate Malaria - if you succeed at that. The sub-Saharan countries for example suffer from a massive AIDS/HIV epidemic, at some point the estimate was that every third adult in Botswana is infected. Things are better now with about 24% infection rate - that's still a quarter of the population. A common belief was that having sex with a virgin would cure your infection - with predictable results: Think anywhere on the range of merely spreading the epidemic to flat out rape of young virgins. I'm very sorry to respond in kind: I think you fail to grasp the magnitude of the problem.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Shivetya on Saturday November 02, 2013 @11:13AM (#6659409)
No he is more right than wrong.

We already have communications options available in those regions. The very same ones used over the last decades, whether its radio, hardline phones, cellular or even satellite.

Doctors and nurses out there already have communications. The issue here is that spending money to provide internet to the masses there is not as beneficial as making sure they live to use it.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Xylakant on Saturday November 02, 2013 @05:00PM (#6660783)
I'd say he's more wrong than right. There are basically no landline connections in large parts of Africa, since it's basically infeasible to cover the large distances involved with cables. Satellite is unaffordable for all practical purposes - when I'm talking about doctors and nurses I'm not talking about western foreign aid people but locals. If your average income is in the range of single digit USD a day, satellite comm is infeasible. Also, the communication system must be manageable and maintainable by locals with a basic eduction.

So the best available communication is often cellular, if any.

On the other hand malaria is a disease that only affects some parts of the population - namely the one that lives in malaria affected regions. Large parts of southern Africa are mosquito-free, hence no Malaria. To make up for that there's a ton of others diseases, so if you eliminate Malaria, you still have to fight Schistosomiasis [1], Trypanosomiasis (sleeping sickness) [2] HIV and a lot of other diseases for which treatments may or may not exist. In a country where the average infection rate with HIV hovers at about 30% the gain from eradicating Malaria is limited at best. Let's not get into poverty and access to most basic health care.

It's not a simple problem that allows for a simple solution and even eliminating every conceivable disease that affects people in developing countries will only be one minor factor to improving the situation there. Those people need access to knowledge and information as much as they need health care and water. Otherwise they'll forever be stuck on western subsidies - just healthier and longer.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schistosomiasis [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_trypanosomiasis

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by vidarh on Saturday November 02, 2013 @11:37AM (#6659494)
Providing internet to the masses is one way of improving their chances of living to use it.

Doctors and nurses may have communications, but many countries do not have doctors and nurses even in every city, much less every little village.

It's clear we should be careful about not displacing funding for basic health care improvement with basic internet access, but they are not nearly always in opposition, and besides providing health care information, uses such as improving economic opportunities by giving access to market/pricing information also matters - for someone having to spend days getting their stuff to market, going to the right town to get the best price will also affect health: ability to afford sufficient food and shelter for starters.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Qom on Saturday November 02, 2013 @06:35AM (#6658778)
Note that internet does not necessarily help education. Most people waste their time on the internet, including most of us on HN. You can have as much info available to you as you want, if you go in the wrong direction or take no real action then it will all be for naught.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Xylakant on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:42AM (#6659143)
Well, in that case nothing necessarily helps education. Even books or teachers, people waste so much time in school. I for myself must admit that I tend to think of HN as very educating. I get exposed to information that I'd never find otherwise and to opinions of people I'd never meet otherwise. That's certainly much more educating than a lot of facebook.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by sanoli on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:58AM (#6659188)
Maybe, but the one thing a poor country can't do without are schools for fundamental education. You can do without internet for everyone, you can do without tv. But if you don't have schools and teachers, which some countries don't have (what they have only passes as schools and teaching) you're pretty much doomed as a country.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Swannie on Saturday November 02, 2013 @08:50AM (#6659040)
You're talking about telecommunications - not the internet. There is a difference. You don't need the internet for telecoms. You don't even need a mobile phone (though in today's Africa, generally a mobile will do a lot more for you). Africa are still fighting to get get decent telecommunications cover. Let alone internet. Telecoms is important, and undoubtedly saves and enriches lives. The internet, yes that too, but to a lesser degree.

Telecoms is available world wide for a price, via satellite. Internet is also available worldwide for a price. Broadband is coming in the next few years, worldwide, for a bigger price. Health revolution worldwide is not even on the horizon.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Xylakant on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:33AM (#6659121)
The internet is not only facebook and youtube, but a general purpose communications network. Having satellite internet available does not imply it's in any way affordable for local individual or organization. Having terrestrial internet for acceptable prices would allow for a variety of uses that are currently not possible, some of them undoubtedly beneficial for health care professionals.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by XorNot on Saturday November 02, 2013 @11:48AM (#6659537)
The problem is, these places have treatable diseases running rampant for a variety of reasons. There is no one principle cause of ongoing survival problems in various parts of the world today, and no one solution to it either.

Endemic poverty is a complicated social and political phenomena which is maintained due to a variety of causes. Even if tomorrow you eliminated malaria, it's very doubtful the conditions in any country where it's a problem would improve. A case in point is famine - we have more then enough food today to feed a population of 10 billion or more people on the planet fully. But people still starve to death every day. And even when we give food aid for free, we still keep having the same issue - even when we're actively giving it.

When you start trying to order your problems by perceived importance, we get nothing done. Sure you think, I'd hate to die of malaria. But you live in a first world country - if you don't die of malaria, you don't then imagine that you'll still have nothing to eat tomorrow, or that you lack all of the education you take forgranted. Or that there'll be no jobs, or that even if you work hard you'll still be paying bribes just to get a driver's license. Or come the local elections if you don't guess the right side to be seen supporting you'll be murdered or raped, or both.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by dodyg on Saturday November 02, 2013 @08:09AM (#6658949)
Connectivity goes both ways - go check the fireband anti vaccine movements in the US.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by ivanca on Saturday November 02, 2013 @06:20AM (#6658752)
It's an egg-and-chicken problem then; you cannot manage the "available health resources" if those are nonexistent, so having those is a priority and that is more similar to what the BMGF is already doing.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Xylakant on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:39AM (#6659133)
A lot of countries in the developing world have existing health care resources, such as doctors or nurses, but managing them is a major problem in a state such as namibia or botswana where the population of a small city is spread out on a territory as large as germany. It helps if you can have a local, less qualified health care worker communicate with a remote specialist before either moving a doctor to the patient or the patient to the doctor. A medium to high bandwidth connection, eventually capable of video transmission helps a lot here.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by ivanca on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:52AM (#6659171)
You are painting a fairy tale outcome, poorly based on reality. Even in Colombia, were there is high-speed internet connections the coordination, willingness and education to make a fruitful use of this resource is scarce. So it's not like "Give them internet and they will figure it out!", it's a lot more complicated than that.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Xylakant on Saturday November 02, 2013 @10:02AM (#6659204)
That's not what I'm saying. The same could be said about a malaria vaccine. "Develop it and all will be good" is a fairy tale outcome as well. Even "develop it, make it cheap and malaria will cease to be a problem" is a fairy tale outcome. The real world tends to be much more complicated than that - all I'm trying to point out is that there is a real problem managing available resources, especially in countries with low population densities. We can even see that in some less populated areas of eastern Germany (some areas of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern), but at least we in Germany can luckily afford to throw money at that problem.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by ivanca on Saturday November 02, 2013 @10:11AM (#6659237)
We all agree is a problem, but we don't agree in that Internet is going to fix that just by existing. So in that order of ideas _by itself_ internet is far from being a priority over malaria and other set of issues.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by mtgx on Saturday November 02, 2013 @05:50AM (#6658699)
No, it wasn't "just a leading question". Bill Gates has said something similar before, and quite recently, about Google's Loons:

> Bill Gates: Google's Project Loon Doesn't 'Uplift the Poor'

Which is a pretty stupid statement to make considering technology does in fact "uplift the poor", since it leads to better economic environment, jobs, and better living conditions.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2422884,00.asp

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by ivanca on Saturday November 02, 2013 @06:14AM (#6658745)
His exact words were a bit different than the article and you are assuming:

"Google started out saying they were going to do a broad set of things. They hired Larry Brilliant, and they got fantastic publicity. And then they shut it all down. Now they're just doing their core thing. Fine. But the actors who just do their core thing are not going to uplift the poor,"

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Volpe on Saturday November 02, 2013 @06:13AM (#6658741)
Some technology does uplift the poor, but not always, and not all technologies.

Baloons giving internet access to people, doesn't seem to have an obvious uplifting effect on the poor? Could you explain how that will happen?

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by patrickaljord on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:17AM (#6659085)
Increased internet penetration in Kenya creates jobs, improves education http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/features...

But seriously, this is HN, do I really need to explain to you why the internet creates job? Why it helps spread information and education? Is this 1997?

I'll give you a first hand experience though, I've lived for 5 years in Peru. There, students told me that Google and the internet has literally changed their life. Before they had to buy expensive books, cross the city or travel to get that book and be able to do copies. Now they just go to the net cafe next door, search on google, get their answer, print it and they're done. For less than half a dollar. A gain in time, money and information and a gain in what these newly educated students will bring to society. I can't even begin to imagine the impact that http://duolingo.com and http://khanacademy.org will have on humanity and the poorest.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Volpe on Saturday November 02, 2013 @10:07AM (#6659221)
Show me the (at the very least) the correlation between internet access and social mobility.

You may help educate some people, though the data says educational outcome is more correlated with socio-economic status. And education is correlated with social mobility, but now we are two correlative (at best) steps away from the conclusion you are drawing. We've yet to show any causation...

Your outrage of having to explain this, is misplaced. This is not an obvious fact, nor is it backed by any evidence.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by patrickaljord on Saturday November 02, 2013 @10:37AM (#6659316)
> Your outrage of having to explain this, is misplaced. This is not an obvious fact, nor is it backed by any evidence.

I'm not outraged at all, just surprised. I don't have enough time to explain something like that on HN (especially to someone who may just be trolling or acting in bad faith, not saying you are but you could be) and I don't feel the need to because the evidence that the internet has a positive effect on society and the economy are so overwhelming and just a few google searches away anyway. That's like asking why science or education are a good thing for the economy. Have a nice day :)

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Volpe on Sunday November 03, 2013 @04:55PM (#6665287)
... you moved the goal posts significantly. We aren't talking about whether the internet has a positive effect on society or the economy.

We are talking about uplifting the poor. Which is more formally known as "increasing social mobility". The internet doesn't do that... Social mobility in the US did not change significantly with the introduction and growth of the internet... what more evidence do you need against your point?

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by patrickaljord on Wednesday November 06, 2013 @07:40AM (#6682358)
When the economy improves, the poor live better and there are less of them living in the worst conditions. Otherwise, the economy wouldn't be improving. Call that uplifting, or social mobility or any other hip buzz word if you like. Doesn't change the fact that by helping the economy and creating jobs, the internet helps the poor by default. I witnessed it myself when living for years in the third world but it's a well known fact too that the internet helps the economy and creates jobs (and therefor helps the poor). Maybe you need to live in the third world for a while to see the direct positive impact the internet has on the poor and get out of your bubble.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by philliphaydon on Saturday November 02, 2013 @07:41AM (#6658903)
Yeah giving internet to people who barely have running water and electricity is REALLY going to help uplift the poor. Solve health issues so people can work rather than spread disease. Introduce agriculture and self sustaining society. Then maybe you can introduce technology...
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Zigurd on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:37AM (#6659128)
You might be surprised at the priorities of the poor themselves. Internet access means knowing the market price rather than being ripped off by a middleman for your crop. Getting the market price might mean being able to afford indoor plumbing, but maybe a scooter comes first so grandma can be taken to a doctor when needed.

Curing malaria is inherently a top down priority. Acquiring communications is bottom up.

To take another example, providing a robot chauffeur maybe a solution to a first world problem, but cars kill twice as many people as malaria, so don't knock the robot chauffeur if he cuts traffic accidents by half or better.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by philliphaydon on Saturday November 02, 2013 @10:32AM (#6659300)
Have you actually been to a 3rd world country? If you had, your comment makes no sense at all...
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by dodyg on Monday November 04, 2013 @06:15AM (#6667962)
"Internet access means knowing the market price rather than being ripped off by a middleman for your crop."

This is a classic tale that got retold over and over again for the positive impact of communication. Farmers know the market price - that's not a problem. The problem is they might not be able to sell their crops at market prices due to logistical choices and availability.

If there are only a few trucks today to deliver your produce to the faraway market, you take whatever price the middle man gives you - regardless of the market price - because the other choice is leaving them rotten on the field.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by mkr-hn on Saturday November 02, 2013 @08:11AM (#6658954)
http://williamkamkwamba.typepad.com/williamkamkwamba/2007/07...

> While at the conference, the young Malawian saw the internet for the first time and within hours began Google-searching for "windmill" and "solar energy" and was amazed with how many hits were returned for each search.

> Kamkwamba was particularly impressed with the speed at which he could achieve things using the internet. "I was very excited when I saw the internet for the first time," he said. "The internet makes transfer of information very instant."

Now imagine a billion people with the same access to information on useful things like good sanitation and building windmills.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by philliphaydon on Saturday November 02, 2013 @11:19AM (#6659424)
> William Kamkwamba, a 19-year-old high school student

Wow isn't he lucky! He actually gets to go to school. Now if only ALL kids in 3rd world countries could have such chance in life.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by killme on Saturday November 02, 2013 @06:42AM (#6658796)
Bill Gates has spent a lot of time among the world's poorest poor. When you do that, your perspective changes completely and he seems to be talking from that perspective.

Also, did you read the linked article? He clearly addresses your point.

>Innovation is a good thing. The human condition – put aside bioterrorism and a few footnotes – is improving because of innovation,” he says. But while ­“technology’s amazing, it doesn’t get down to the people most in need in anything near the timeframe we should want it to”.

Well, what Google and Gates' are doing is still better than Jobs' take on charity from his biography that demeans it:

"“Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he’s more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology. He just shamelessly ripped off other people’s ideas.”"

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by pmelendez on Saturday November 02, 2013 @08:23AM (#6658977)
"Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything"

Which is a funny statement coming from Jobs, since he didn't invent anything either. Ripping off is fine when you add value, like the original Mac which borrowed a lot from Xerox labs prototypes.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by rbanffy on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:04AM (#6659066)
I agree with you that Jobs was never a brilliant engineer, but I don't think Gates was particularly brilliant either and to say Jobs lacked imagination is ludicrous and to say he never invented anything is simply untrue. It may even be true he never invented a circuit (such as the Disk II controller) or never built a prototype himself, but that's not the whole of inventing something.

BTW, it was the Lisa that built upon the Alto (and added quite a bit of very clever ideas that never made it into the Mac).

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by bolder88 on Saturday November 02, 2013 @05:04AM (#6658605)
Those things are also about increasing our problems down the line IMHO

The world population has doubled in the last 30 years. Doesn't that scare anyone else?

Sure, you could save a few million poorly educated people from dying. Then what? They're all going to need food, energy, education, housing, etc etc.

Saving people from dying is no good at all if they still have a shitty life and die from something else anyway.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by quink on Saturday November 02, 2013 @05:14AM (#6658620)
> The world population has doubled in the last 30 years. Doesn't that scare anyone else?

Not that greatly. Birth rates in near enough every country are dropping after having peaked. 7 billion in 2011, 8 billion in 2025, 9 billion in 2043, 10 billion in 2083 is what UNFPA predicts. As education improves and the relative value of each life, and as people live longer on average, the Malthusian catastrophe is one I would think we will avoid. In fact it is this stabilisation of the population that worries me because without any immediate pressure from something else, with no race, no competition and no Sturm and no Drang in progress, will we be destined to find the answer to the Fermi Paradox through our own fate?

Look at this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Populatio... and then consider that while the case of Japan seems about to be a portent for other countries. Doesn't this scare you even more - the thought of the human race ending with a whimper? Or will each of us be, by our current standards, a god among machines living a life a hundred times more valuable than those of their ancestors in their grasp over the earth. If anything these kinds of questions should probably keep you more awake than the thought of a Malthusian catastrophe at this point.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by neya on Saturday November 02, 2013 @05:54AM (#6658707)
>Saving people from dying is no good at all if they still have a shitty life and die from something else anyway.

Wow. That's ultra-elitist.

So, let's say you are diagnosed with a rare disease and the doctor gives you two weeks to live unless you get a medicine that costs $1000 which let's assume you can't afford. And you're going to die someday, anyway. Does that mean you have a shitty life and you deserve to die now?

So, amount of money = value of life? Is that your point??

So, I own 10x more money than you (assume) and hence compared to my standards, I think you live a shitty life and you deserve to die. How do you feel now?

Life is invaluable. Money has nothing to do with it.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by bolder88 on Saturday November 02, 2013 @06:48AM (#6658810)
Death is a natural, and essential part of evolution, and is crucial for the survival of the species.

If you could magically save everyone from dying tomorrow, then well done! You've just killed everyone from overcrowding.

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Tmmrn on Saturday November 02, 2013 @07:14AM (#6658857)
Since your basis for morality seems to be "evolution" and "nature" (in quotes), would you be in favor of shutting down all hospitals immediately?
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Zigurd on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:43AM (#6659147)
"Immortality" is really about 1000-2000 years. In that time, accidental death will catch up with you.
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by sdoering on Saturday November 02, 2013 @05:15AM (#6658623)
Funny thing is, we "know" relatively good, what the maximum of earths population will be and why. And we know (also relatively good) how fast we will lift people from poverty, given the actual and historical numbers.

Hans Rosling showed it quite well in a TED talk he gave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78

Re:An interview with Bill Gates by majika on Saturday November 02, 2013 @08:03AM (#6658940)
I'm all for having less humans around, but actually, educating women, eradicating poverty, and lowering death rates has shown to be the best way to reduce a country's birth rate. It just takes a generation or two. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition
Re:An interview with Bill Gates by Zigurd on Saturday November 02, 2013 @09:40AM (#6659138)
Middle class (by developing world standards) life is the most effective brake on population. Give people basic health care, Internet, TV, a phone, and literate daughters and watch the population growth rate fall to replacement level or lower.