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Re:New iPhone 5c has analysts talking about possibly poor sales by InclinedPlane on Friday October 18, 2013 @01:07AM (#6569866)
There's a lot of money in the low-end of the market, especially in the near future. Over the next decade or so the developing world is going to add on trillions of dollars in GDP. That's going to bring a lot of people to the table who will be able to afford a low-end smartphone or tablet, and for many of those people it will be their first computing device. Due to sheer volume alone there is a ton of money in that market. And that's in addition to the low-end of the market in existing developed countries, which is already huge.

However, the 5c isn't in that market. It's a $550 phone. It's only seemingly "cheap" because the usurious financing that most cell companies use enables them to offer a low down payment amount.

Look at it in two ways. When you lock yourself into a 2 year contract you're going to be paying about $1k for whatever device you upgrade to. The difference between $100 and $200 up front is trivial in comparison to this. So paying $1100 for a $550 phone versus $1200 for a $650 phone is, well, stupid. Even more so when you consider the performance and quality differences between the 5c and 5s.

That's at the high-end, for people who can afford expensive plans and expensive phones. At the low-end the 5c isn't competitive either. If you comparison shop un-subsidized phones on prepaid services you see that you can get LTE android devices in the $200 to $300 range, a Galaxy S3 is only $350. With an S3 and a $35/mo plan (virgin mobile) someone will be saving a minimum of $500 and closer to $1000, for comparable service, over 2 years compared to buying a subsidized 5c from verizon or AT&T. Even more if they opt for a truly low-cost phone (which can be as cheap as $150 unsubsidized for LTE capable devices, and essentially free if you don't care about LTE).

So it doesn't compete on the low-end because it's too expensive and it doesn't compete on the high-end (where its price puts it) because it's missing stuff.

No wonder no one is buying it.

Re:New iPhone 5c has analysts talking about possibly poor sales by alwaysinshade on Friday October 18, 2013 @01:23AM (#6569912)
> No wonder no one is buying it.

"Months of rumors about order cuts and so forth, so let me take a moment to comment on these. No comment on any particular rumor.

I suggest its good to question the accuracy of any kind of rumor about build plans. Even if a particular data point were factual, it would be impossible to interpret that data point as to what it meant to our business. The supply chain is very complex and we have multiple sources for things. Yields can vary, supplier performance can vary. There is an inordinate long list of things that can make any single data point not a great proxy for what is going on."

- Tim Cook, Q1 conference call, regarding rumors that demand for the iPhone 5 was waning. Q3 results? 31.2 million iPhones sold.

Analysts aren't very good at predicting things when they're using isolated data points from the supply chain.

Re:New iPhone 5c has analysts talking about possibly poor sales by sfjailbird on Friday October 18, 2013 @07:24AM (#6570776)
Did you read the article? Shops say shelves are full of 5Cs all over the place.
Re:New iPhone 5c has analysts talking about possibly poor sales by tadfisher on Friday October 18, 2013 @02:03AM (#6570008)
I wouldn't be surprised if sales of the 5C are fine for US-style subsidized contracts, mostly because the psychology is different. Carriers do not present the total costs of their contracts, and customers are presented with two numbers: the monthly service fee and the up-front cost of the device. The service fee is the same between iDevices, leaving the up-front cost as the only apparent price discriminator.

It may be "stupid" for a customer to pick the slightly-cheaper 5C when considering total costs, but there is a market that places greater value on the extra $100 due at sign-up than on the superiority of the 5S over the 5C, and that is a market in which you and I do not take part.

Re:New iPhone 5c has analysts talking about possibly poor sales by nsxwolf on Friday October 18, 2013 @02:11AM (#6570031)
It's a weird world when millions of units sold is interpreted as "no one is buying it".
Re:New iPhone 5c has analysts talking about possibly poor sales by innino on Friday October 18, 2013 @03:10AM (#6570177)
News guys getting desperate. How many times can you run the story "finely-calibrated update to world's most popular phone still insanely popular"?