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Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by nwp90 on Sunday October 13, 2013 @05:11PM (#6544184)
While this is a subject I would be interested in, I took one look at the front page, saw that it appeared to be video-only, and gave up.

This is precisely the reaction that news sites get from me when I click on a link to a story and find video-only content.

Am I the only one, or would it be a really good idea to provide transcripts of the interviews?

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by csense on Sunday October 13, 2013 @05:21PM (#6544207)
> video-only

Videos are a lower-bandwidth medium than text for explaining things. I can read a lot faster than I can listen to a person talk.

Seriously, this website doesn't realize that?

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by anxrn on Sunday October 13, 2013 @05:50PM (#6544280)
#1. A commenter is not a website.

#2. There are a lot of considerations apart from bandwidth when it comes to disseminating information. For eg., having to use speakers or even reach for a set of headphones is reason enough for me to skip to the text.

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by Blahah on Sunday October 13, 2013 @06:29PM (#6544376)
I think csense meant bandwidth in the sense of rate at which the audience takes in the information, not network bandwidth. You're in agreement with one another.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by csense on Sunday October 13, 2013 @06:49PM (#6544436)
Yes, by "lower-bandwidth" I meant "video usually [1] takes more of my time to transfer ideas from the author's mind into mine than equivalent text." I wasn't referring to bytes-on-the-wire [2].

[1] Sometimes video is more efficient than text. E.g. with respect to video games, gameplay videos can convey a lot of information in a short time. Basically if you want to teach someone about some system that changes over time, showing how it changes in video is often a lot clearer and faster than trying to describe it with words or static diagrams.

But a video that just involves listening to a person talk -- or, worse yet, read slides from a projector -- usually just ends up wasting my time compared to equivalent information presented as text.

[2] It's obvious that video consumes way more bytes-on-the-wire than text.

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by anxrn on Monday October 14, 2013 @01:31AM (#6545531)
I see. Yes, I misread your comment. Apologies. We are, as another commenter eloquently put it, 'in violent agreement'.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by thesteamboat on Monday October 14, 2013 @12:19AM (#6545388)
Offtopic: A great word/ phrase for describing this situation, which I'd like to see become more popular. "You two are in violent agreement."
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by Blahah on Monday October 14, 2013 @05:43AM (#6546245)
Excellent phrase - I'm joining your campaign to popularise it.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by gottagetmac on Sunday October 13, 2013 @06:25PM (#6544363)
You're agreeing with csense without realizing it. He said "this website" to refer to the site with the videos (not the comment above him), and saying video is "lower-bandwidth" to mean that is less quickly communicative, not that it somehow takes less internet bandwidth than text.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by Wicher on Sunday October 13, 2013 @06:45PM (#6544422)
Well I know of a few people who are really interested in seeing what these hacker people are like. Are they raving maniacs? Timid hermits?

Video is a good format to get people who do not normally browse source code or read specs interested. I'd rather send my curious-but-not-technologist friends a video link than a protocol design page from a wiki which they'll never read.

And a proper transcription encompasses a fair amount of work. So maybe the authors found that that would outweigh the benefit of pleasing some of us. I'm still happy that someone is creating these videos (and is not putting them on Youtube but is self-hosting them, with WebM HTML5 video).

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by csense on Sunday October 13, 2013 @06:55PM (#6544452)
I'm not saying that video doesn't have certain advantages. I think that some people -- even some people who consider themselves hackers -- may even prefer it.

I'm just saying that I personally prefer text, and explaining why I prefer it.

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by GhotiFish on Sunday October 13, 2013 @07:14PM (#6544512)
Well, actually I can listen to someone talk faster than I can read. Though, people can't talk as fast as I can listen to them.

Have you tried speeding video's up?

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by sliverstorm on Monday October 14, 2013 @12:15AM (#6545380)
Other problem is when I read, I will often skip backwards and forwards and backwards again, re-digesting sentences that didn't quite make sense and cross-referencing especially within paragraphs. When I'm listening, I have to depend on my auditory buffer, which is only a couple seconds (or) one sentence long.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by coolsunglasses on Sunday October 13, 2013 @07:28PM (#6544538)
I read 5-10 times faster than I can listen and with much greater accuracy.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by skylan_q on Sunday October 13, 2013 @05:12PM (#6544188)
Am I the only one, or would it be a really good idea to provide transcripts of the interviews?

No, there are at least a few of us.

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by frabcus on Sunday October 13, 2013 @05:13PM (#6544192)
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by sfbsfbsfb on Sunday October 13, 2013 @06:42PM (#6544412)
I'm not viewing 6 videos. I came right back to HN to read the comments hoping someone would summarize for me.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by richardjordan on Monday October 14, 2013 @01:10AM (#6545495)
Exactly. With a well laid out webpage of text I can scan fairly quickly and get the gist - and also figure out how much time to spend on it or wherever to defer it etc. video only I tend to skip.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by serans on Sunday October 13, 2013 @05:21PM (#6544206)
I stopped doing Coursera courses because of this.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by NoodleIncident on Sunday October 13, 2013 @06:31PM (#6544384)
The only thing that saved coursera for me was VLC. It all makes such more sense at double speed; if I miss something I can always pause.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by mayanksinghal on Sunday October 13, 2013 @07:09PM (#6544494)
You should use their HTML5 player instead of the Flash one. The former has speed controls.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by ics on Sunday October 13, 2013 @08:17PM (#6544676)
It's good that you mentioned it, but it should be said that the experience is far from perfect (at least in FF). Playback speed resets at every question break, each new video, etc. Audio drops out of sync frequently and seems to have more issues when sped up than in VLC.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by mayanksinghal on Sunday October 13, 2013 @11:29PM (#6545235)
I have had little to no issues with quality of playback in Chrome. However, like your sibling comment suggested - it does lack keyboard shortcuts.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by repsilat on Sunday October 13, 2013 @08:34PM (#6544737)
I'm more comfortable downloading the lectures, but there are a few upsides to using their HTML5 player:

- When I speed up the video in VLC the pitch of the sound goes up. This doesn't happen for me in Chrome.

- You don't get the "in-video quizzes" when you download the lectures. Some courses put them up for download separately, for others there is no other way to get to them but through the online player. The quizzes don't typically (never?) count towards your final grade, but they can reinforce concepts and correct mistaken understanding early.

On the other hand,

- I have finer speed control in VLC, and

- The video players on my computer are just "nicer" than the web alternative, maybe better than a web alternative can be.

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by shevski8 on Sunday October 13, 2013 @05:49PM (#6544274)
There is an informative textual index of projects we are working from here: https://github.com/rossjones/alternative-internet
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by dredmorbius on Sunday October 13, 2013 @10:52PM (#6545146)
There's both an "About" link (text) and a list of alternative internet projects:

http://redecentralize.org/about/

What's this all about? Over the last few years, we've noticed quite a few people trying to spread the Internet out again. Back to the edges, like it used to be.

Sometimes they do it for privacy. Sometimes they do it for resilience against disaster. Sometimes they do it just to bring playfulness back to computers and how we use them.

We've a list of the kind of projects we mean (any missing? send a pull request). On this site, we interview one of those projects each month.

https://github.com/rossjones/alternative-internet

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by fragsworth on Sunday October 13, 2013 @06:29PM (#6544377)
The problem isn't just "information bandwidth", but also an audio problem in a public environment. If you're in a public place, do you want to put your headphones on, or would you rather have everyone listen to what you're watching?
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by grumps on Sunday October 13, 2013 @05:37PM (#6544242)
I'm also with you. I rarely have sound on, actually at the moment there seems to be a bug with my sound. I don't plan to investigate it. I strongly dislike video content.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by WalterSear on Sunday October 13, 2013 @08:37PM (#6544755)
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by hyperbovine on Sunday October 13, 2013 @11:04PM (#6545173)
In addition, lack of any text makes it seem like vaporware.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by bbwharris on Sunday October 13, 2013 @05:38PM (#6544245)
You're not the only one, but videos actually have higher engagement across the board.

A lot of us prefer to read. Most don't however.

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by kijin on Sunday October 13, 2013 @09:38PM (#6544930)
Depends on the target demographic.

If you're trying to engage people who enjoy watching lolcat videos every day, a video is probably the best medium to use.

But I suspect that the majority of the people who are likely to be interested in this topic (programmers, mathematicians, engineers, internet freedom activists) prefer to access the most information possible in the shortest time possible, accompanied by the least possible amount of unnecessary bytes, and in a format that allows quick skimming. Ergo, text.

Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by anxrn on Sunday October 13, 2013 @05:54PM (#6544290)
wrt "Most don't", how do you know this? Is there a study or a poll you could point to? I'm genuinely curious about this.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by vacri on Sunday October 13, 2013 @06:37PM (#6544400)
This being said, some salient dot points could be put forward to summarise the videos and what they're about. As it stands, it's largely a mystery, and not an enticing one. There's no 'hook'.
Re:Redecentralize: Quietly, some geeks are decentralizing th... by grogenaut on Sunday October 13, 2013 @10:20PM (#6545044)
Agreed, I can't watch football and this video at the same time. I can read and listen to football though. How dare you try to consume all of my bandwidth?