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Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by tptacek on Thursday June 11, 2009 @08:51PM (#653949)
Yawn.

Compare to Prelude, an entire sans serif family Palm commissioned from Font Bureau: http://typophile.com/node/58935

First Microsoft, now Palm; Apple, you really need to raise your game here.

Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by Kejistan on Thursday June 11, 2009 @09:31PM (#653994)
Sorry, I don't understand the comparison? How does Prelude have much to do with Apple's 'new' terminal font? And how does Microsoft play into this?
Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by tptacek on Thursday June 11, 2009 @09:43PM (#654015)
Apple has famous typographic literacy and graphic design taste.

But Microsoft, with a far worse reputation for taste, has employed famous typographers for each major release of its OS, contributing serious, important typefaces. Vista included Lucas de Groot's Calibri and Consolas, for instance.

Even Palm, a relatively minor company, has a real face commissioned for the Pre.

But Apple's new typeface is just a tweak of Bitstream Vera Sans Mono, Linux's open source monospace sans?

Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by MrRage on Thursday June 11, 2009 @10:45PM (#654085)
The major difference, as I see it, is that Apple includes fonts that are good for publishing, and Microsoft includes fonts that are good for reading on a screen. For example, Consolas is designed for a screen with sub-pixel rendering.

I think this difference is apparent in how fonts are rendered on OS X and Windows, i.e. Windows "snaps" fonts to pixel grids for readability.

Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by tptacek on Thursday June 11, 2009 @11:06PM (#654104)
What's the important print face Apple has released in the last decade? What have they done since Hoefler Text?
Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by kevbin on Thursday June 11, 2009 @09:58PM (#654038)
"Just a tweak" minimizes the work necessary to make typefaces (especially monospaced typefaces) produce good results. The hinting in Menlo seems to produce really good on-screen results on my Mac; preferable to Consolas, Liberation, BVSM, Pragmata, etc.
Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by tptacek on Thursday June 11, 2009 @11:08PM (#654109)
Not to disparage the people who worked hard on hinting Menlo, but I'm not sure that's work comparable to designing an entire major face family.
Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by kevbin on Friday June 12, 2009 @01:08AM (#654216)
It's a different kind of work. I've purchased several typefaces with beautiful letterforms that are useless for coding on my mac because they are not hinted or hinted poorly. A couple more have really bad metrics that the "height"/"width" sliders can't really compensate for in the terminal.
Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by quizbiz on Thursday June 11, 2009 @10:05PM (#654049)
In his Stanford commencement speech, Steve Jobs talks about taking typography and being fascinated by it in College.
Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by tptacek on Thursday June 11, 2009 @10:13PM (#654058)
Yes, I remember that. So you'd think they'd publish more typefaces.
Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by gchpaco on Thursday June 11, 2009 @10:38PM (#654076)
Why? I think they would publish good typefaces, which is very different. And by and large they do.
Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by tptacek on Thursday June 11, 2009 @11:08PM (#654106)
Which would those be? The last font Apple seems to have commissioned was Skia (blech).
Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by gchpaco on Friday June 12, 2009 @12:02AM (#654157)
Zapfino is the most immediate counter that comes to mind. Monaco was for decades the best monospaced font going. My Mac has Futura on it (a fantastically influential and important font that I happen to dislike aesthetically a great deal), Gill Sans (probably the best sans serif body font), Hoefler Text (gorgeous), Optima and Palatino, for starters.

You don't need to commission new fonts if you have the good taste to buy the distribution rights for excellent existing fonts.

Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by tptacek on Friday June 12, 2009 @12:39AM (#654185)
The only fonts in that list that Apple commissioned are Monaco and Hoefler Text, both from more than ten years ago.

I'm not complaining that Apple ships with a poor selection of fonts. I'm complaining that despite the heritage, they don't appear to be innovating with typography at all anymore. Microsoft is simply crushing them on this front.

Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by jemmons on Monday June 15, 2009 @09:55AM (#658385)
You're confused. Microsoft isn't innovating here either. They're paying someone to innovate. That's why it's called "commission".

If Apple employed great type designers and was giving them nothing to do, that'd be a problem. But there's been no shortage of great font releases without Apple's patronage -- and all these releases can be installed on a Mac. So what's your real problem here?

Re:Apple Menlo: Snow Leopard's New Console Font by kevbin on Thursday June 11, 2009 @10:00PM (#654042)
I haven't seen Prelude in person, but it looks very nice in screen shots. How is the Pre rendering text?