If Java Is Dying, It Sure Looks Awfully Healthy

Re:If Java Is Dying, It Sure Looks Awfully Healthy by jaggederest on Thursday October 10, 2013 @04:25AM (#6526349)

You're doubting that Javascript is a popular language for people pushing the forefront of software development? I'd cite for you a ton of the work being done on node, ember, knockout, backbone, jquery, even some embeddable hardware thing I read about on here the other day. There's a huge amount of energy in that area, lots of extremely smart people.

Or are you just being snobbish about javascript? It's a pretty solid language, and has interpreters installed on virtually every computer on earth with built-in distribution.

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Re:If Java Is Dying, It Sure Looks Awfully Healthy by xerophtye on Thursday October 10, 2013 @05:21AM (#6526494)

My friend, JS has a virtual monopoly on what it does. If there are other client-side browser languages, i have not heard of them.

>It has built-in interpreters (read "Browsers") on every computer.

JS is pretty slow (It uses an interpreter!). The notion of using it on the backend is debatable. "A lot of people are putting a lot of effort in to it" isn't a valid argument. u said it yourself: "people are told to/forced to use it"

As for the hardware thing, didn't you read the HN discussion about that? no body thinks that's a good idea. It just a way to let web devs do something on the hardware without bothering to learn an actual low level language.

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Re:If Java Is Dying, It Sure Looks Awfully Healthy by nilliams on Thursday October 10, 2013 @07:41AM (#6526865)

>> JS is pretty slow (It uses an interpreter!) The notion of using it on the backend is debatable.

It is pretty fast. It has a world class VM with an optimising JIT compiler. V8 is considerably faster than many other interpreted language, Ruby, Python etc. It's being used on the backend by many smart companies.

>> As for the hardware thing [...] It just a way to let web devs do something on the hardware without bothering to learn an actual low level language.

I know C. I use it when necessary but I'd rather write JS. Apparently so would plenty of other people. It's not about laziness.

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Re:If Java Is Dying, It Sure Looks Awfully Healthy by cmircea on Thursday October 10, 2013 @07:46AM (#6526884)

Expect it doesn't use an interpreter these days, it is JIT compiled (a la V8). It's quite fast now.

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Re:If Java Is Dying, It Sure Looks Awfully Healthy by CmonDev on Thursday October 10, 2013 @12:41PM (#6528627)

Is it still single-threaded only using one CPU core?

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Re:If Java Is Dying, It Sure Looks Awfully Healthy by olavgg on Thursday October 10, 2013 @05:23PM (#6530134)

Well almost, you can use web workers and create "tasks" that will use more cpu cores. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/Performan...

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Re:If Java Is Dying, It Sure Looks Awfully Healthy by CmonDev on Thursday October 10, 2013 @12:40PM (#6528619)

"It's a pretty solid language" - can you remind me what should I use "==" or "===" and why should I care? More here: http://wtfjs.com

"has interpreters installed on virtually every computer on earth with built-in distribution" - which means we are stuck with it, thanks very much for "open" web.

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Re:If Java Is Dying, It Sure Looks Awfully Healthy by CmonDev on Thursday October 10, 2013 @12:37PM (#6528601)

"pushing the forefront of software development" - you mean desperately trying to work around legacy issues in a increasingly standardised environment?

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Re:If Java Is Dying, It Sure Looks Awfully Healthy by EpicEng on Friday October 11, 2013 @06:26PM (#6536246)

JS is, in general, a relatively poorly designed language which is forced upon us (thankfully, not me). Given the choice people would jump ship in a heartbeat.

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