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Re:At Last, Facing Down Bullies (and Their Enablers) by philwelch on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @02:12PM (#649539)
How exactly do you want your kids to respond to bullies?

Any solution that relies upon "implicitly trust authority" is even more flawed, because most bullies in the adult world operate under the color of authority, and while you won't get away with punching a pushy cop in the face, you do need the confidence to tell him to kindly get himself a warrant or leave you the hell alone.

Sometimes, even adults in the real world need to physically defend themselves from criminals. This holds doubly true for women.

Re:At Last, Facing Down Bullies (and Their Enablers) by tptacek on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @02:17PM (#649549)
Most adults in the real world are never going to be able to physically defend themselves from violent criminals. They learned to be doctors and engineers instead of effective violent criminals.

How do I want my kids to respond to bullies? I guess it depends on the situation. But I won't condone my kids throwing punches, and if they have to walk away from somebody at school activities more than once, I want to know about it.

(Whether that attitude means my kids are going to be reluctant to tell me about what's happening at school is my problem to deal with.)

Re:At Last, Facing Down Bullies (and Their Enablers) by philwelch on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @02:26PM (#649573)
So you denigrate a perfectly good solution that works while offering none of your own.

In adult life, you have the legal right to physically confront burglars and drunken assholes on the street. It takes a degree of tactical judgment and skill to know how and when to confront them, but outright pacifism is wrong for two reasons:

1. It leaves you vitally incapable of handling emergencies. If someone breaks into my house, brandishing a shotgun isn't going to solve the problem completely, but it is going to ensure my immediate safety until the police arrive.

2. All you're doing is delegating the physical violence to someone else, which means "implicitly trust authority". In the school system, the authorities don't care. In real life, the authorities are the bullies more often than not.

Re:At Last, Facing Down Bullies (and Their Enablers) by tptacek on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @02:39PM (#649610)
Due respect, but in real life you're a moron if you have the option of escaping a fight with drunken assholes on the street, and you choose to engage them directly on their terms.

The rest of your argument is a straw man. Did I make a gun control argument? Did I say you should be incapable of self defense? I did not. Anticipating this exact stupid argument, I made it clear that I (a) appreciated self defense training and (b) have my kids involved in it.

Re:At Last, Facing Down Bullies (and Their Enablers) by philwelch on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @02:48PM (#649635)
You just don't want them to actually defend themselves, ever.

Responding to a schoolyard bully with a punch to the gut is one and the same as responding to a B&E with a shotgun. If you want your kids to do one but not the other, you're sending mixed messages. You don't respond to barroom bullies with a punch to the gut--you get the bouncer's attention. But that's tactical judgment. If you're in the schoolyard, getting a teacher's attention will just as often do nothing, and if it accomplishes anything it only makes the problem worse. It's more like a prison, where the wardens will allow all kinds of abuses happen without interfering.

"Don't throw a punch, ever" is pacifist crap, not tactical judgment.