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Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by jerf on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @03:34PM (#6369432)
I've slowly been transitioning to Linux-only gaming, because the whole reboot-into-Windows just to play is a pretty steep bar. (Steeper than it even sounds in practice, as now, basically, every time I boot into Windows I have to spend about 10 minutes updating the damn thing, because I don't do it often enough; this has become a vicious cycle.) This bundle is great for that, with all the Linux debuts.

Linux gaming is still young, but it's picking up surprisingly quickly, really. I describe Netflix streaming as: "If you ask 'Does it have X?', the answer is no. But if you ask, 'Is there something I want to watch?', the answer is yes." Linux gaming is getting there, slowly but surely, at least if you can deal with Indie stuff. (And no hipster intended, but Indie stuff has come a long way in the last couple of years. There's a lot of stuff there that would have been at least A-grade, if not necessarily AAA, only five years ago.)

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by ekianjo on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @07:38PM (#6370951)
Well there's Metro Last Light coming up very soon it seems, that's a sign that AAA gaming may be entering the dance slowly. On the indie side in the end of July Andy, the creator of Monaco, confirmed the upcoming Linux port. I bought Monaco when it came out for Windows, but I hardly played it since I'm spending most of my time under Linux. NOw, knowing this game is coming on Linux made my day.

And this HB9 is excellent. Very much in the tradition of the best ones from 2012.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by johnchristopher on Thursday September 12, 2013 @06:43AM (#6373252)
Unreal 2004, quake3, W:ET, etc. Those AAA games already entered the dance and it didn't work out as well as their windows versions. I would not bet a cent on Metro Last Light changing anything to gaming on linux.

It is always "about to change soon" with games on Linux.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by eterm on Thursday September 12, 2013 @07:42AM (#6373430)
Steam for linux is a game-changer though. While previous efforts (there was a surge around 2000 with the likes of Q3, NWN etc) lacked cohesion, there is a convenient banner under which to promote games on linux and real stats on how many people are actually playing games on linux rather than the overhyped estimates of the past.

Linux gaming in the past has too much been about poor-grade clones of popular games. Now via Steam Linux is getting a lot of real games delivered, and in a manner where the publisher/developer can see the true impact of the decisions to port.

So no, Metro: LL might not change anything itself, but it is a sign that other stuff is having a real effect and that there is a pull.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by rschmitty on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @04:03PM (#6369638)
I suppose it's personal preference on your desktop OS, but I stick to Win7 and linux VMs. No rebooting, no wine, all games work :)

I'd much rather run VMs for linux stuff than wine for windows stuff.

Now if you prefer [insert window manager of your choice] over Win7 then I get ya

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by jerf on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @04:55PM (#6370041)
"Now if you prefer [insert window manager of your choice]"

I've gone deep down that hole. XMonad, fairly custom, custom keyboard layout, custom emacs... occasional light gaming is all I do now that Windows has an advantage for me personally. YMMV.

One nice thing about Ubuntu still being based on Debian is that it's easy to install enough to satisfy Steam and all the games, since Ubuntu is what they target, while leaving the Ubuntu UI off and doing whatever you want underneath.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by vx-k on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @05:45PM (#6370337)
>One nice thing about Ubuntu still being based on Debian is that it's easy to install enough to satisfy Steam and all the games, since Ubuntu is what they target, while leaving the Ubuntu UI off and doing whatever you want underneath.

On my Arch system, Steam works perfectly well for me.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by ewzimm on Thursday September 12, 2013 @12:17AM (#6372030)
Even in Ubuntu 13.04, Steam installs a bunch of Ubuntu 12.04 stuff instead of relying on native libraries. So the Debian base doesn't matter much for compatibility. It's more a matter of packaging it with everything it needs to run on any distro.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by ekianjo on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @11:20PM (#6371848)
Steam works perfectly under OpenSUSE as well. You don't need Ubuntu at all.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by bryanlarsen on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @04:30PM (#6369822)
The big problem with this strategy is that disk I/O in a Linux VM under Win7 seems to be about 1/10th of the speed that it is under native Linux.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by criley2 on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @05:10PM (#6370139)
I run my ubuntu VM off of a SSD. My VM performance is (unbenchmarked) seemingly faster than many laptops and netbooks running Ubuntu. It's blazing fast performance that I believe is better than most native Linux installs on spinning drives.

I don't have I/O benchmarks to back that up, just anecdotes from my usage, but I'd be shocked to find that my ubuntu VM was 10% of native performance.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by venomsnake on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @05:12PM (#6370149)
If you give access to real drive/partition it is native.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by Fomite on Thursday September 12, 2013 @12:19AM (#6372034)
This is likely going to be my setup as well - technically running Windows 7, with a Linux VM up whenever I don't need all my system resources for gaming.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by green7ea on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @03:47PM (#6369526)
I have also been doing more gaming in Linux recently. I only have a windows partition for Starcraft 2 and League of Legends. If blizzard ever gets on board the linux bandwagon, I won't need a windows partition :-D.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by Attic on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @03:58PM (#6369606)
SC2 works perfectly fine on Gnu/Linux with wine. http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId...

I don't know about LoL but you might want to give SC2 a try on wine if you haven't already.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by barbs on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @07:16PM (#6370834)
I found that I got pthread protection problems, but other than that SC2 worked great.

No idea how well LoL works under wine, but DotA 2 has a native linux client. Just saying! :P

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by larrik on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @04:52PM (#6370017)
I actually run both under wine. LoL runs great, actually. Better than the official OS X client does on my Mac Mini.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by if_by_whisky on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @03:58PM (#6369604)
I find that sc2 runs reasonably well in wine.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by prawks on Thursday September 12, 2013 @10:31AM (#6374254)
DotA2 runs great on Linux ;)
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by barbs on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @07:17PM (#6370837)
I recently built myself a gaming rig, and am running Linux Mint on it. This works well enough for me. Sure, most games out there are Windows only, but the quality ones that I want to play (dota 2, Amnesia, Quake Live) work great on Linux.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by shmerl on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @05:54PM (#6370389)
DRM free Linux gaming is still lagging behind though. We need GOG on board to boost the progress.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by jeltz on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @10:33PM (#6371704)
Many of the indie games at Steam are DRM free. It is just hard to find that information.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by shmerl on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @11:09PM (#6371809)
Supporting Steam itself helps DRM proliferation, so I don't use it at all. Indies which are on Steam usually find ways to be distributed outside it in a DRM free fashion (Humble Store, Desura, directly from developers and etc). It's mostly big budget games with Linux versions which appear on Steam lately or plan to appear there that are a problem. Since they are not sold anywhere else.

For example while Metro Last Light is going to be ported to Linux, it will be tied to Steam for no apparent reason (it doesn't strictly depend on any Steam lock-in features). I.e. it's the common urge for DRM that drives this.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2013/09/10/metro-...

Why I mentioned GOG - it's the only major distributor now who can seriously compete with Steam. And they have a clear DRM free stance unlike the later.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by ekianjo on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @11:22PM (#6371856)
Yeah but GOG clearly said they do not want to support Linux distributions anyway, so I'm not sure what you are hoping for. I prefer supporting Steam which in turn helps more ports to Linux, rather than waiting for something that may never come from GOG.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by shmerl on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @11:37PM (#6371909)
I won't start using Steam while they drive DRM proliferation (i.e. being very conductive for DRM pushing publishers), it's a deal breaker for me at least.

As for GOG, they didn't say that they don't want to support Linux. They clearly said they want to, but the way they planned it for themselves makes it complex and takes long time to research/develop. While we can disagree with GOG's approach, it's up to them to decide how to enable it. So let's wait and see what they come up with next year.

Humble Bundle didn't reach the scope of GOG yet, plus they don't even have a strict DRM free approach unfortunately. On the other hand they work on real DRM free Linux ports and they always mark which games are DRMed and which are DRM free.

To grade the situation, I'd give Steam very bad, and HB - average mark (DRM wise).

GOG has more resources to be disruptive while being completely DRM free, and to take on Steam in a serious way.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by ekianjo on Thursday September 12, 2013 @01:38AM (#6372267)
> As for GOG, they didn't say that they don't want to support Linux. They clearly said they want to, but the way they planned it for themselves makes it complex and takes long time to research/develop. While we can disagree with GOG's approach, it's up to them to decide how to enable it. So let's wait and see what they come up with next year.

Seriously the position from GOG is plain BS. If they really wanted to support Linux, they could easily package most of their old games with Dosbox and 90% of them would run fine this way. This is the large majority of their current catalog. And I have a very hard time to believe it would be difficult to support a few key distributions. Or they could take the approach "we support only Ubuntu officially" just like Valve does, and let the Community support other distributions.

So, as much as I love what GOG does, their position regarding Linux was a great disappointment. Especially coming from a developer from Eastern Europe, where Linux is clearly stronger than in other PC markets around the world. I don't see CD project porting Witcher 2 to Linux either, and they haven't made any announcement in that direction for the upcoming Witcher 3 either.

Supporting "Non-DRM" software while running on a DRM friendly environment (Windows/Mac) is a very strange place to be, honestly. I expected way more from GOG.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by shmerl on Thursday September 12, 2013 @10:11AM (#6374067)
> they really wanted to support Linux, they could easily package most of their old games with Dosbox and 90% of them would run fine this way.

This was not about DosBox games which are already playable. It was about starting support for native Linux games which is not trivial. In general I agree with you that their approach of "all or nothing" in finding a way for long term support of native games is far from perfect, but what can you do - it's their business how to do it. They listened to feedback but didn't go the iterative way.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by ekianjo on Thursday September 12, 2013 @08:17PM (#6377833)
Well the longer they wait, the more the "all or nothing" strategy will never happen because their catalog is expanding. Basically they are simply refusing people who want to give them money. It's preposterous.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by barbs on Thursday September 12, 2013 @04:43AM (#6372866)
I totally agree. If HiB and Steam can do it, so can GoG.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by e2e8 on Thursday September 12, 2013 @12:26AM (#6372053)
As far as I know all the Humble Bundles are completely DRM free excluding the couple big studio windows only bundles. Is that not correct?
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by shmerl on Thursday September 12, 2013 @12:27AM (#6372059)
What about all these recent Origin/Steam only bundles? They seem to appear more and more often, and they don't look DRM free at all to me. You could note the absence of EFF in the charities there. I guess it's because EFF doesn't want to make it look like they endorse DRM.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by InAnEmergency on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @08:59PM (#6371288)
Was excited to play Mark of the Ninja on Linux (64-bit) but all I get is a blank screen :'(
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by maggit on Thursday September 12, 2013 @06:20AM (#6373190)
I've similarly had poor experiences with the Humble ports of games. Off the top of my head I can think of Super Meat Boy, which usually crashes within the first minute, and Psychonauts, which is so broken that it ruins all the fun. Both of these on OSX, by the way, but I've had similar problems on Linux.

This is why I have stopped buying the bundles, even though this one contains games I have wanted to play for a long time.

I have also told the Humble guys this, but I have gotten no response.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by InAnEmergency on Thursday September 12, 2013 @11:27PM (#6378403)
In case people are still curious, the upload yesterday was missing a bunch of files. There is a new file for download 9/12/2013 which is working fine for me.
Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by laureny on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @10:18PM (#6371645)
I don't see much reason to rejoice, all the games you see running on Linux are not doing so because they were specifically written for Linux but because the developers used Unity or Game Maker.

Nothing wrong with that, the more such games the better, but it just speaks volumes to the fact that Linux is as fringe on the desktop as it ever was.

Frankly, I don't understand why gamers who happen to use Linux and who love video games as well don't spend $500 on a Windows laptop and save themselves all these headaches.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by jeltz on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @10:25PM (#6371673)
That is an exaggeration, and I do not see what is the bad thing about many of the games being written in Unity either.

Crusader Kings 2 and Europa Universalis 4 run on Paradox's internal game engine which was ported to Linux due to Steam. I believe the same is also true for Serious Sam 3 from Croteam. And there is 4A Games who are making Metro: Last Light with their own game engine. I do not think Football manager 2014 will be using an engine like Unity either, but I do not play sports management games.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by ekianjo on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @11:24PM (#6371863)
Yeah, "source" games run on Unity, maybe? That's a good chunk of all the AAA titles available on Steam for Linux currently, and they run great on Linux.

Besides, I have no headache with my Linux systems. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Re:Humble Indie Bundle 9 released by jerf on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @10:31PM (#6371701)
As attempts to piss on my parade go, that was very tepid and half-hearted. I suggest more spittle; that always gets attention.