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Re:We Need a Basic Income Guarantee by saraid216 on Monday September 02, 2013 @02:53AM (#6313779)
> Otherwise, you have people simply taking whatever job they find the most enjoyable, living off the government subsidy, and leaving other less desirable jobs unfilled

What's wrong with this, honestly? If less desirable jobs go unfilled, I'd expect that people would find ways to mitigate the need for human beings in those jobs. Let's let the market figure out what those jobs are and if we can do such mitigation. That seems preferable to the current situation, where people such as yourself say that we need people to be placed into explicitly undesirable positions.

Let's actually see this problem before we anticipate it.

Re:We Need a Basic Income Guarantee by incompatible on Monday September 02, 2013 @03:53AM (#6313971)
> Let's actually see this problem before we anticipate it.

The problem has always existed. It's the reason that people need to be paid for most jobs, since they won't do them just for fun. If people know that they'll be paid a decent amount for doing any job at all, then there will be a lot of recreational activities which are thinly disguised to look like jobs.

Re:We Need a Basic Income Guarantee by krfsm on Monday September 02, 2013 @07:53AM (#6314700)
That's why it's an income guarantee - so you don't have to invent an activity that looks like work in order to receive money.

So in your case under a BIG, they would get some money and pursue leisurly activities. This in contrast to someone doing a task that needs to be done (say dispose of garbage), who would get some money from the BIG and a substantially bigger sum in actual wage. The service (getting your garbage disposed) would have to be priced accordingly.

Some activities (such as musicians) would be a gray area, but it's not a problem - people can make music and if someone buys it the musicians get extra income.

If there are services needed which are very unappealing, they will be priced high. Also, the incentive to automate them (and thus reduce human suffering) will be high as well.

Re:We Need a Basic Income Guarantee by dnautics on Monday September 02, 2013 @04:44PM (#6317106)
right - it would have to go without saying that EVERYONE gets the BIG, including millionaires and paul allen.
Re:We Need a Basic Income Guarantee by incompatible on Monday September 02, 2013 @10:22PM (#6318364)
These sort of pensions are already available to some people, in some countries (typically the elderly and the disabled). However governments are struggling to pay for them, and the eligibility criteria tend to get tightened (in my country, the old-age pension age will increase to 67). I don't see how they could be expanded to the entire population without destroying the governments' budget, and if they tried to raise such massive sums through taxation, destroying the economy too (and causing massive flight of the wealthy to lower-taxing countries.)
Re:We Need a Basic Income Guarantee by saraid216 on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @01:10AM (#6319098)
The availability of BIG to people who don't actually need it is about the principle of BIG: that it doesn't care who you are. I'd find it interesting to consider how we might let people decline their BIG stipend in return for... something.
Re:We Need a Basic Income Guarantee by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @12:33PM (#6321890)
> I'd find it interesting to consider how we might let people decline their BIG stipend in return for... something.

Why would we do that? We could instead just sell the "something", which has the same effect, without defeating the point of BIG by complicating the BIG administration.

Re:We Need a Basic Income Guarantee by saraid216 on Monday September 02, 2013 @03:03PM (#6316575)
> It's the reason that people need to be paid for most jobs, since they won't do them just for fun.

There's a huge difference between (a) not being interested in doing a job, but doing it because you're getting money for it and (b) not being interested in working and doing it because you're getting money for it.

You're arguing (a), but I'm arguing (b).