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Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by comex on Sunday September 01, 2013 @02:19PM (#6311430)
Considering that the US has zero speech-related internet censorship, and the comparison is to a law banning sharing any news articles online and publishing any material opposing the government, I'd say the US still has a valid complaint here.
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by jivatmanx on Sunday September 01, 2013 @03:13PM (#6311647)
Vietnam is a communist tyranny that simply applying existing laws and policies to a new medium, so this isn't really a change.

Economists prefer percentages to absolutes, and trends to isolated incidents. 9/11 has not only halted the long trend towards increasing freedom, but began a new and troubling trend of growing tyranny.

Perhaps the U.S. isn't overtly attacking press freedom, but the U.K. is, informs the U.S. before every incident, and the U.S. couldn't be happier.

Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by slacka on Sunday September 01, 2013 @08:10PM (#6312778)
Events like this are a reminder of why technology like Tor and I2P are so important. When I was working in China, I was surprised by the number of people that were aware of Tor and those that I introduced it to were thrilled to have their freedom back. In Thailand, I found it installed in Internet cafe's to access blocked sites.
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by jawngee on Sunday September 01, 2013 @04:55PM (#6312115)
Tyranny is a bit overstated.
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by wyager on Sunday September 01, 2013 @08:06PM (#6312763)
Said people in every historical state that was slowly sliding towards despotism.
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by mpyne on Sunday September 01, 2013 @11:35PM (#6313352)
But on the other hand, making the U.S. congruent to every despotic state tends to cheapen the sacrifice of those who actually had to live (and die) under those despots, instead of sipping a venti espresso at Starbucks while typing away on their MacBook Pro.
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by veidr on Monday September 02, 2013 @12:00AM (#6313402)
Some people sip espressos in North Korea, too.

Meanwhile, we (Americans) have more people living in cages than North Korea, China, Iran, and Vietnam combined. Most of them citizens, incarcerated after being subjected to extremely dubious trials for crimes related to drugs -- and whoops, look at today's latest headline: Drug Agents Use Vast Phone Trove Eclipsing N.S.A.’s

Relatively free states slide morph into corrupt police states precisely when the people sipping coffee with their luxury computers refuse to notice it happening.

Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by mpyne on Monday September 02, 2013 @10:42AM (#6315365)
> Relatively free states slide morph into corrupt police states precisely when the people sipping coffee with their luxury computers refuse to notice it

That's... at least mildly pretentious. What social ills are the brave bands of roving latté-sippers going to save the country from next? Anyways, history has shown that despots don't have to care about what the intelligentsia thinks.

Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by veidr on Monday September 02, 2013 @12:01PM (#6315716)
Urrrgh, for fuck's sake: are you gonna make me trot out the 'First they came for the...' cliché (which like all good clichés is totally on point)?

Obviously, despots don't care what the intelligentsia or anybody else with < despot power thinks. But in a high-functioning democracy, it is only through the apathy or willful ignorance (or freaky racism / nationalism) of the citizenry that you get despots in the first place. We're not there yet, but are obviously on that path.

I assume you're caucasian and rarely have your luxury car searched at traffic stops, or your electronic devices searched at border crossings? Me too. Yay for us.

Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by mpyne on Monday September 02, 2013 @06:26PM (#6317529)
> are you gonna make me trot out the 'First they came for the...' cliché (which like all good clichés is totally on point)?

And also like any good cliché, says more than it really says. For instance, that there is no permissible reason for government to go after anyone since it logically follows that if we let government go after Party A, they are that much closer to going after Party B.

For that reason, instead of living my life by clichés, I try to evaluate each situation on its own merits.

> I assume you're caucasian and rarely have your luxury car searched at traffic stops, or your electronic devices searched at border crossings?

Caucasian, yes.

'Luxury' car, no. Unless the MP3 player is a luxury nowadays. It doesn't get searched at traffic stops, but that is probably because I've not run across a traffic checkpoint in years.

Maybe I should go visit the despotic America though, so that I can find out what a traffic stop is like? Where would I find that, as I've been all over the East Coast and have had no success yet in finding it.

Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by gizmo686 on Sunday September 01, 2013 @04:18PM (#6311967)
I wouldn't say zero. Child pornagraphy and copyright infringement are still censored. (Admitadly, most copyright infringement is self sensored to assure DMCA compliance, but I still count that).
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by Monotoko on Sunday September 01, 2013 @08:24PM (#6312823)
Child pornography makes sense though, I can't see any civilised society ever being okay with that because of the permanent harm it brings to those involved. The ban has been in place since before the Internet, and thus it was brought to the Internet too.

There needs to be rules, but they need to be sensible and not limit speech. The other side of that coin though is the laws against copyrighted material, most people don't care and download stuff illegally anyway.

I can't imagine lawmakers backing away from the Internet, and I don't really want them to because before you know it someone would be monetising child porn. No idea how you would even begin to solve the problem of balance though.

Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by gizmo686 on Sunday September 01, 2013 @08:59PM (#6312922)
I do not want to enter into a discussion about the morality of child porn. However, regardless of you view on that, it is still a form of speech. US legal precedent explicitly allows for the limitations of speech under specific circumstances (such as intent and likelyhood to incite a crime, and malice with a reckless disregard to the truth). What is important to remember is that wheather we are censoring terrorist how-tos, child-porn, or political opponents we are still limiting speach.
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by rdl on Sunday September 01, 2013 @08:51PM (#6312897)
Child pornography doesn't have a bright line, though. I don't think 16/18/21 are particularly different (I.e. societies could choose any of those). There still seems to be debate around the edges of simulated, simulated using real photos of non sexual underage people, self pics to other minors, etc. And IMO the bigger issue of knowing possession vs. it being totally radioactive.
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by gizmo686 on Sunday September 01, 2013 @09:02PM (#6312929)
>There still seems to be debate around the edges of simulated

Not just the edges. I've seen porn sites self censor obvious fictional porn depicting children, because of concern over hosting child porn.

Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by rdl on Monday September 02, 2013 @08:11PM (#6317946)
The thing where Australia banned porn with smaller (A/B) breasted adult women because it "contributed to pedophilia" was amazing, too.
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by seanmcdirmid on Sunday September 01, 2013 @07:58PM (#6312742)
Yes, on the other hand, those things flow more freely in China.
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by Shizka on Sunday September 01, 2013 @02:53PM (#6311568)
Of course it's a valid complaint. Just because the US has a number of, lets call them unfortunate, stances on the definition on freedom doesn't mean they can't make complaints. But you must admit that this does make them seem somewhat hypocritical?
Re:Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect by belorn on Monday September 02, 2013 @09:03AM (#6314938)
You are free to any speech, so long it doesn't contain any videos of soldiers gunning down children from a helicopter, or you do not "encourage" copyright infringement, or post how to circumvent a lock on property you have bought, or enables gambling, or if it might look like one of the forbidden form of porn if you tilt the head on the side.

Then its DNS takedown time. Either by making sure that resolvers will lie, or removing it from the Internet on a US "because we say so" basis. No judge, no jury, no trial. Those stuff is only for "real" things, not virtual "sites" on the Internet.