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Re:Defeated by raverbashing on Monday August 26, 2013 @06:56AM (#6276223)
I agree with the general spirit of your post, however:

Amsterdam Schipol has (a lot of) scanning machines as well.

Germany has more freedom in certain areas and less freedom in others. (you can't take your empty bottles to the recycling bins on Sunday for example)

Re:Defeated by bane on Monday August 26, 2013 @08:12AM (#6276485)
I'd also add that the three worst travel experiences I've ever had were: immigration at Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, anything at all London-Heathrow, immigration at Toronto Pearson.

Schiphol, El Prat, Marco Polo, Dublin, da Vinci, Kloten and Munich get me in and out without any fuss at all. Though security at Schiphol was about what you'd contend with at Dulles.

Domodedovo and Koltsovo are very mediocre and busy, but function. You might get harassed by security, you might not. Who knows? It's Russia after all.

Kuwait was easy-in easy-out, but basic airport services were generally a mess, due mostly to rampant queue hopping that none of the employees put a stop to.

My consistent best anywhere is traveling to South Korea. I would replace every airport on the planet with Inchon Int'l if I could.

In the U.S. Washington DC-Dulles and Denver are pretty smooth operations most days, JFK and LaGuardia are crowded but function and security doesn't really harass you, Charleston, SC is one of the easiest to get in and out of (even internationally). San Francisco, Sea-Tac and Portland are..."alright". LAX kinda sucks. O'Hare is a nightmare almost on the scale of Heathrow and Atlanta is a mess most days with what must be strictest security on the planet.

Re:Defeated by einhverfr on Monday August 26, 2013 @09:35AM (#6276915)
> I'd also add that the three worst travel experiences I've ever had were: immigration at Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, anything at all London-Heathrow, immigration at Toronto Pearson.

Funny, my only complaint about Toronto was that the immigration officials tried hard enough to avoid charging me the work permit fee that it wasted a bunch of our time.

Best experiences though have been Singapore and Kuala Lumpur. Worst experiences have been Houston and JFK NYC. Sea-Tac is ok aside from the body scanners.

Re:Defeated by brightsize on Monday August 26, 2013 @10:52AM (#6277395)
I was surprised that just recently on an in-state flight from Spokane to Sea-tac and back, I did not get scanned at all, I only got the metal detector treatment. I had thought that the gawk-at-you-naked scanners were the default everywhere no matter where you were traveling.

I was surprised to find that leaving Tegel in Berlin was easy as can be, short lines, quick trip through the metal detector. The entry process at Sea-Tac was another story though. It took forever. You got grilled, you got the German Shepherd dog sniffing your crotch, and you had to wait for all your bags to be x-rayed. Some of the agents seemed to be behaving in a very rude way, in particular I remember one agent seemingly being a real jerk to some poor old guy who didn't speak English well. I remember thinking how bad an impression of the US that the foreign visitors in line must be forming. I was at that moment embarrassed to be a citizen.

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Re:Defeated by adammil on Monday August 26, 2013 @03:40PM (#6279394)
Sometimes they randomly open and close security lines between scanners and metal detectors. To avoid the hassle, I pick the lines that are obviously headed to a metal detector. When I opt out, I do it firmly but politely, and never had anyone say something except one time a TSA man said "You know this isn't dangerous radiation, right?" I just said "It doesn't matter. I'm opting out." I always take the pat-down in public and they vary a lot in quality.
Re:Defeated by ubernostrum on Monday August 26, 2013 @09:23AM (#6276843)
immigration at Toronto Pearson

I'm kind of scratching my head here, because that doesn't jive with my experiences (and I do have plenty of experience of entering Canada there as a non-Canadian -- in fact, I've done it twice in the past month). Some times of day the lines are a bit longer than others, but I just don't know of anything else that I'd consider to be bad about it.

Re:Defeated by bane on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:21PM (#6280541)
I hope it's better recently. I've only been through Toronto Pearson twice and it was a royal screw up each time: luggage for my entire plane was sent to the wrong area and nobody knew where it was, it took 3 hours to figure it out thus missing connecting flights for 300 people, harassing immigration officers as we tried to make alternate flight arrangements because it was a no cell phone area (where were we supposed to go?), customs hand searched my bags both times and on and on.

I've since decided not to fly into North America via Toronto from now on it was so bad.

I dearly love my Canadian neighbors so I hope they've since straightened it out.

Re:Defeated by ubernostrum on Monday August 26, 2013 @09:38PM (#6280949)
Meanwhile, a couple years ago I was flying in through Toronto, and had been re-booked (from United to Air Canada) because of a delay. Which meant my bag arrived on a different flight than I did; the customs and security folks were all as nice as could be when I explained the problem, gave me no hassles about it, and got me through the process of claiming the bag and getting it through immigration pretty quickly once it arrived.
Re:Defeated by raverbashing on Monday August 26, 2013 @08:30AM (#6276568)
I'll agree with 2 of your 3 worst travel experiences only because I haven't experienced one of them personally, but for the other two, I agree 100%

The funny thing is, in CDG, what was bad was the immigration exit control. Entry was a breeze and I was asked exactly zero questions even having presented a non-EU passport.

Re:Defeated by bane on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:34PM (#6280592)
The problems I've had at CDG were in entry control. 4 or 5 jumbo jets disgorging in-bound passengers at the same time all to be routed through a single immigration officer. Sure there's a ton of booths, but only one officer. I think they've both been mid-afternoon Saturday arrivals.

One time I think I timed it at around 2 and a half hours to get processed. No particular questions, just the usual look at the passport, look at you, stamp off you go. But there were probably a thousand people passing through the control point.

Re:Defeated by joezydeco on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:55AM (#6276433)
As someone that lives in a neighborhood (in the USA) where leaf blowers are being used constantly all weekend long, I don't see this as a suppression of freedom at all.
Re:Defeated by SkyMarshal on Monday August 26, 2013 @08:51AM (#6276663)
> you can't take your empty bottles to the recycling bins on Sunday for example

I don't know Germany but it seems you're suggesting Germany curtails freedom in the name of economic efficiency, but not as much as the US for "national security" and what not.

Re:Defeated by praptak on Monday August 26, 2013 @09:34AM (#6276906)
> it seems you're suggesting Germany curtails freedom in the name of economic efficiency

Not even that. I believe it has to do with Ruhezeit (Quiet Time.) It's just that rattling the bottles is noisy, so it is more like curtailing freedom in the name of neighbors' freedom to have their Ruhe.

Re:Defeated by nraynaud on Monday August 26, 2013 @10:11AM (#6277120)
the Sunday rule is for the noise
Re:Defeated by VMG on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:05AM (#6276253)
of all the things bothering me about Germany, this is not one of them. More the fact that nearly all shops close at 8pm and everything is closed on sunday.
Re:Defeated by sbarre on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:51AM (#6276415)
You're basically describing what it was like for me as a child in Canada in the late 70s and early 80s..

Stores were closed on Sundays, things closed earlier in the evenings.. We survived, we planned ahead..

Now everything is open all the time. Malls are open on Christmas day, even on New Year's Day!

When do people have time to spend time together, to relax, to not be consumers but be people?

I kind of wish stores were still closed on Sundays..

Re:Defeated by peterjancelis on Monday August 26, 2013 @10:33AM (#6277274)
Not everybody cares about sundays or holidays. I hate it when shops close early.
Re:Defeated by annnnd on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:50AM (#6276409)
This also means that if you work in a shop you can go home shortly after 8pm and you have a free Sunday. The difference here is that Germans (arguably) respect the time off-work more.
Re:Defeated by nodata on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:13AM (#6276285)
It introduces a different mentality: you have to do something other than shop.
Re:Defeated by bane on Monday August 26, 2013 @08:16AM (#6276508)
As an international traveler that for some reason ends up arriving in Germany Sundays, let me assure you, it sucks to high heaven that I can't get something to eat or drink easily.
Re:Defeated by Derbasti on Monday August 26, 2013 @08:51AM (#6276661)
Restaurants, bakeries, gas stations, and everything at airports or train stations is open on sundays in Germany.
Re:Defeated by bane on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:27PM (#6280564)
Last time I went to Germany was...2009? I grabbed something to go at the airport and hit the road for my destination in central Bavaria. After I checked into my hotel, I hit six entire towns where everything was closed. It was around 6-7pm on a Sunday. Which is a hugely popular eating out time for families in the States. I finally found a Kebab place that was open and stuffed myself to the gills I was so starved. The rest of the week was perfectly fine. The next Sunday? Same thing, only I made sure to have a couple pre-made sandwiches in my hotel room and some breakfast meats I stored in the fridge from breakfast the previous day.

As a traveler, Germany on Sundays simply sucks.

Re:Defeated by nodata on Monday August 26, 2013 @09:17AM (#6276802)
Where are you having these problems?

International travellers tend to arrive by plane or train (as Derbasti says), you can buy something from there. Or from a restaurant.

The only problem you would have is with supermarkets away from the train station or airport.

Re:Defeated by bane on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:29PM (#6280574)
The Middle of Bavaria. Of course the airport had food. But I was 2 and a half hours away from an airport by autobahn. Every restaurant for dozens of kilometers around was closed.

I asked my hotelier about it and he just shrugged and told me where to get some kebab three towns over.

Re:Defeated by VMG on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:22AM (#6276312)
my mentality is "I want some milk" and "I bet the gas stations are pretty happy about the Ladenöffnungszeitengesetz"
Re:Defeated by brazzy on Monday August 26, 2013 @08:27AM (#6276554)
In Japan, there is no such law, and nearly all stores close at 8 PM anyway, many on sundays as well. There are 24/7 convenience stores which are almost exactly like German gas stations minus the gas. The net effect: harldy any difference.
Re:Defeated by VMG on Monday August 26, 2013 @06:29PM (#6280318)
Thanks, I'll bring up that example the next time somebody tries to convince me that we need a law and the market can't regulate itself.
Re:Defeated by michaelgrafl on Monday August 26, 2013 @08:21AM (#6276524)
Since you can get milk at the gas station if you forget to stock up the day before: what's the problem?
Re:Defeated by raverbashing on Monday August 26, 2013 @07:14AM (#6276289)
This bother me as well. However some stores are open until 10pm

In Dublin they open on Sunday, but close at 6pm on weekdays

Re:Defeated by olifante on Monday August 26, 2013 @11:47AM (#6277771)
At least here in Berlin many supermarkets only close at 22 PM or even at midnight. Haven't yet found any that are open on Sunday, though.
Re:Defeated by 14113 on Monday August 26, 2013 @08:31AM (#6276570)
8pm? that's late...more or less everything (apart from the supermarkets) shuts in the UK at about 5:30-6:00...