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Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by 300bps on Friday August 09, 2013 @02:11PM (#6187283)
I get the feeling that the author was judging the person he was helping far more harshly than the perceived judgement she might have passed on him.

There are certain professions that get brought problems constantly by people who think nothing of having you work for them for free.

Doctors get this constantly at parties, at the grocery store, functions for their kids, etc. "Does this look like anything to you?" To a much lesser extent, IT people get similar requests from people.

I have been brought at least a dozen computers in the last year with desperate pleas of, "I have x years of pictures on this computer and it won't turn on!" Take a look and half the time they have a virus the other half their hard drive is dead. My profession is in corporate IT but they just know I "work with computers". So they trudge right over, notebook in hand asking me to recover their data. I've spent as long as 7 hours and as much as $50 for these data recovery jobs on things like circuit cooler and replacement hard drive circuit boards.

The more appreciative always offer to pay. But I always decline because then I'm responsible for anything that doesn't work on that computer for the next 10 years. "You re-installed Windows nine years ago and last week my Caps Lock key broke, WHAT DID YOU DO?" The nicer ones end up buying me a case of beer then. So then I end up working hours on behalf of an aquaintances for beer instead of providing for my family at my typical $150 hourly rate.

Ignorance is your right so long as you don't ask other people to clean up after you for free.

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by ryanmcbride on Friday August 09, 2013 @02:17PM (#6187326)
>So they trudge right over, notebook in hand asking me to recover their data.

I got this in spades at my last job.

We were a web app startup, and the youngest people in a 13 story building. Everyone in the building knew we did something with computers, so they would never hesitate in bringing us their ancient machines and ask us to fix it, ask us to fix their network, in one case, ask us to do their daughter's final project for her intro to C++ class.

People really do just assume that everything to do with computers is directly related, and that they can ask anyone to fix it for free because "it'll only take a second".

I definitely got the feeling that the author had a bit of a chip on their shoulder, but I got through it and loved this article, because I have that same chip on my shoulder.

edit: One cool thing about those old people asking us to fix their shit, was that I got to see an authentic modem from 1999. They wouldn't upgrade because they didn't want to have to change their email addresses.

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by mhurron on Friday August 09, 2013 @03:25PM (#6187810)
> I got to see an authentic modem from 1999

Get off my lawn.

You know ebay has them if you wanted to see them before, they're not museum pieces yet. Also, they do still have their uses.

Kids these days ...

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by 300bps on Friday August 09, 2013 @05:00PM (#6188459)
Seriously... this was my first modem from 1985.

http://i.imgur.com/1A3dvzh.jpg

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by danielweber on Friday August 09, 2013 @06:06PM (#6188853)
Every time I see you username I remember, fondly, watching text scroll across the screen and how utterly fascinating it was that it was coming over a phone line.
Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by kylebrown on Friday August 09, 2013 @10:29PM (#6189850)
Reminds me of a particular segment in the documentary BBS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JnS...
Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by crucini on Friday August 09, 2013 @10:16PM (#6189819)
So fascinating that I wrote a program in MS Basic (on CP/M) to emulate that.
Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by F30 on Friday August 09, 2013 @04:45PM (#6188366)
> People really do just assume that everything to do with computers is directly related, and that they can ask anyone to fix it for free because "it'll only take a second".

I totally get your point, but to be honest they're not completely wrong about that most of the time: Even if you're usually working in an entirely different area, you probably still have more general knowledge on computing than most people. This will often be enough for everday problems. I like the "You work with computers, lease fix mine" requests as little as you do, but in reality we are able to help most of the time.

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by joering2 on Friday August 09, 2013 @06:14PM (#6188902)
I think you missed the point or my impression after reading the article is different.

I genuinely feel that the author frustration comes from the fact that people assume instead of "RTFM".

Each device comes with manual, whether paper or CD. Its just that average user does not read it. Your manual will tell you there is hardware on/of switch of wireless on the side of your laptop. Had she read that, she wouldn't have come and ask. ITs irrelevant how few seconds it will take him to "fix it"; get that same question hundred times a day and you will be frustrated. Many times non-tech users assumption "its broken" comes from basic lack of knowledge, which device manual will explain. "my laptop doesnt work! see i try to turn it on, nothing!". Manual, page 2: "insert battery and plug your computer to power plug to charge it". - "did you do that?" -"Well, no...".

The analogy with the car is a good one. When you purchase a vehicle it comes with couple hundreds of pages of manual. Imagine impression on mechanic's face, or his opinion about average driver if people would be coming to his shop all the time saying "man, my car is broken!", when the "change oil" light is on. OP didnt want her to deassemble her laptop and replace network card on it. He just want he to RTFM.

Average computer user nowadays lost patient and don't want to learn or find out anything out of ordinary. And that's why, I think, OP is rightfully so frustrated.

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by NAFV_P on Monday August 12, 2013 @03:47PM (#6201238)
Here is something interesting regarding the mind-state of some 'techno-geeks'. If you ask a question, you will likely get the reply 'RTFM' or some similar sounding poem. If you make a statement that is very likely to be incorrect, a lot of people who originally said 'RTFM' will now give you detailed explanations on why you are wrong. You are expected to auto-learn, but that is mostly forgotten when you feign arrogance.

I find this to be a profound dichotomy. It gets even more profound when someone makes a statement, then said statement is misunderstood by some 'techno-geeks' due to poor natural language skills. A load of 'geeks' reply to this statement taken out of context, explaining the poster's apparent ignorance of technology.

The best reply to this: 'LSFE'

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by jrs99 on Friday August 09, 2013 @06:14PM (#6188901)
A lot of people have a chip on their shoulder. Even mechanics that do get paid for their work. They see the world as full of idiots that can't figure out how to fix cars, when they've been doing it for fifteen years daily. Some of them do think they're smarter than everyone else. That's why we live in a world where everyone thinks they're much smarter than average.
Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by jlgreco on Friday August 09, 2013 @02:34PM (#6187456)
I use to experience this heavily. I've resorted to self-deprecating humor to tell them to buzz off without them feeling too insulted.

"Oh wow, [Windows|OSX]? I don't know how this stuff works, I only work with little computers!"

With my parents I feel less obliged to be polite so I generally just say something about not bothering a mechanical engineer with your car problems. The idea there is to emphasize that despite a degree in something they think is plainly related to installing printer drivers in windows XP, that is not actually something that I am trained in.

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by mst on Friday August 09, 2013 @04:00PM (#6188059)
My version of this is "sorry, I'm a server side guy, normal people computers hate me too".
Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by brandon272 on Friday August 09, 2013 @03:20PM (#6187776)
I detect a lot of resentment in your post that could all be avoided by just saying "No, sorry, I can't fix your computer."
Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by 300bps on Friday August 09, 2013 @04:54PM (#6188417)
I detect a lot of resentment in your post that could all be avoided by just saying "No, sorry, I can't fix your computer."

So I should lie to them? Because that's what I would be doing. The truth is that I can fix their computer. To make that a truthful statement it would have to be, "No, sorry, I won't fix your computer." Has a bit of a different ring to it, doesn't it?

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by brandon272 on Friday August 09, 2013 @05:16PM (#6188582)
You can tell them whatever you want. The point is that you're saying, "No".

I don't have time to be fixing friends and acquaintances computers and I have no qualms about telling them that. I've never had anyone give me a hard time about it. A lot of people assume that because you are knowledgeable that you may want to fix it, a point of view which is only reinforced when you gladly take their broken computer and return it to them repaired without putting up a fuss about it.

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by craigching on Friday August 09, 2013 @06:02PM (#6188839)
I would say "yeah, I could probably fix it, but it'll take me at least a few hours and even then it's not certain. You're better off taking it somewhere professionally where they can properly backup your data and be held accountable. These are the guys I'd recommend."

No offense, but it sounds more like you want to fix it. Not that there's anything wrong with that of course, it's your prerogative.

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by w0rd-driven on Saturday August 10, 2013 @03:38PM (#6192370)
This.

By agreeing to fix their problem, you are now held liable at least in their mind. You are that "professional that can safely backup their data..." or whatever else they think you are. Surely if you can handle a big corp IT department you can take all that proprietary software home (piracy) and solve their problem?

Now that I've left IT directly into software development, I get to play the "Hey I'm just as illiterate as you!" card which is at least partially true. I don't have expensive software or even take proper backups of my extremely important data I wouldn't store in the cloud. Would you want someone like me touching your computer? You shouldn't.

I've done everything I can to be unavailable. It's a choice and one I proudly make. I just don't have the free time for charity any more no matter who you are to me unless I'm actively seeking some form of community service.

Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by nasmorn on Friday August 09, 2013 @07:50PM (#6189332)
I always say since they basically want me to work for them I need to charge them like any other client. Since computer support is not my forte it would probably cost a lot.
Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by scott_s on Friday August 09, 2013 @06:47PM (#6189085)
"I don't have the time."
Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by pnathan on Saturday August 10, 2013 @11:28AM (#6191373)
I usually say that my rates for work are $X/hr, where $X is my freelance cost. Then I recommend finding a professional repair shop.
Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by enraged_camel on Friday August 09, 2013 @07:16PM (#6189203)
I have a sweatshirt that says "No, I will not fix your computer." It gets many laughs, and the best part is that it works!
Re:Kids can't use computers, and why it should worry you by sseveran on Friday August 09, 2013 @03:41PM (#6187925)
Yeah. In college I refused to help anyone except my closest friends and basically swore them to secrecy if I did help them. Otherwise everyone who downloaded some virus from directconnect or kazaa would stop by to get help as if I have nothing better to do than wander over to their dorm room to do battle with their bad decisions.

On the other hand I did teach my mom to fish. She is even comfortable making changes in her linksys router, although she does usually call to check with me first. Making her self sufficient was great and now she asks me why everyone wants her help...