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Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by eridius on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @07:41PM (#6176417)
Under normal circumstances, there is no negotiation when a bank sends you a credit card application. They expect you to just fill it out and send it back unaltered. Since this is the expected way to handle credit card application contracts, I expect the bank could easily argue that there was no meeting of the minds, as they could not have been expected to re-read the entire contract looking for alterations, and in fact it's reasonable to argue that the man who altered the contract did so knowing the bank would never notice.
Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by jvdh on Thursday August 08, 2013 @02:09AM (#6177558)
The bank sends you an agreement that you did not ask for. Why would it be different for the customer to send back a signed contract the bank did not ask for?

Customers are always cautioned to read the fine print. I would not know why this would not be valid advice for banks (or any other business) as well.

Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by brazzy on Thursday August 08, 2013 @05:53AM (#6178031)
Because the bank can reasonably expect to be sent back the contract they sent out, not an altered copy, unless they are specifically told that there are changes. If the guy sent his altered contract with a cover letter that mentions changes (which the bank ignored), he may have a case. Otherwise it's clearly deceptive.
Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by gritzko on Thursday August 08, 2013 @07:17AM (#6178229)
Because a hare shouldn't bite a wolf. That's against established business practices and customs.
Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by mcguire on Thursday August 08, 2013 @11:46AM (#6179633)
Weirdly, there's this paragraph:

"Alexeev then sent his updated agreement to the bank, and shortly thereafter received the bank's signed and certified copy, as well as a credit card."

It's been a while since I signed up for a new credit card, but I don't recall getting back anything "signed and certified." Terms and what-not, sure, but that sounds like the bank sent back his (updated) contract.

Apparently, I've gotten more houses than credit cards, because that's exactly how you handle contract negotiations there.

Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @09:51PM (#6176913)
>they could not have been expected to re-read the entire contract looking for alterations //

I don't think a bank will want to go down the line of arguing the contract shouldn't be binding because they shouldn't have to read the small print - that sounds like an overall loss for the bank in general.

Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by smsm42 on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @10:21PM (#6176998)
The argument is not that you shouldn't read the small print - the bank lawyers know what the small print means - the argument is that they can't look for tiny changes in known small print if they're reasonably expecting it to be identical to what they sent.

That's like I would initiate a contract with you and after we read it together and you agree it's what you want to sign I covertly slip a page into the pack that completely changes the terms and trick you into signing it without you actually knowing it's there. You can reasonably claim you intended to sign the original one, not the one I secretly modified - and I expect the court be more sympathetic to you than to my claims "you should have watched my hands all the time!" Of course, it'd require you proving that I did this, but if you can, your case sounds pretty strong to me.

Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by krichman on Thursday August 08, 2013 @12:00AM (#6177268)
Slipping in an extra paper is not the same at all; you are adding terms to the contract that the signer could not possibly have seen. By changing the small print you are being sneaky, but they had a chance to fully examine what they were agreeing to and were lax in that.
Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by mrweasel on Thursday August 08, 2013 @04:31AM (#6177849)
>The argument is not that you shouldn't read the small print - the bank lawyers know what the small print means - the argument is that they can't look for tiny changes in known small print if they're reasonably expecting it to be identical to what they sent.

Doesn't this case show that they cannot reasonably expect the contract to be identical to what they sent, in respect to all future contracts?

Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by zenith2037 on Thursday August 08, 2013 @01:46PM (#6180545)
The difference is that this.

1 - The bank signed a copy then gave one to the customer to sign. If the customer changed the print at this point, it would no longer be valid.

2 - What this guy did, the bank gave him a copy, he modified it, then signed it, then sent it back, to which the bank approved. Which is still technically valid.

Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by gcb0 on Thursday August 08, 2013 @04:38AM (#6177862)
Yeah, because that's not what banks do every year...

Your contact probably has aterm about them being allowed to change the contact and probably not even notifying you.

Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by jarrett on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @07:57PM (#6176483)
This is what I would try to do if I were the bank. They would have to write off the credit card balance, because voiding the contract cuts both ways. But considering that the bank is potentially liable for much greater damages, it might make sense.

Will it work? It's hard to say. Courts are generally skeptical of the excuse that "I didn't read the contract."

Perhaps it comes down to this: Does a party who makes proposed edits have any obligation to point out such edits? Or does the responsibility lie wholly with each party to read the contract in its final form?

Re:Russian Man Changes Small Print in Credit Card Agreement,... by gcb0 on Thursday August 08, 2013 @04:34AM (#6177854)
Contact is a contract. You are supposed to read.

Good lucky going to court sayingthat you only read the credit card brochure so you thought you didn't have to read the contact before signing... Whichis exactly what the bank did.

If the bank get out of this one, and Russian contract law is the same, it will be going over all the precedence to this date.

My bet is that neither side will have it all. Contact will be upheld, but values will be ruled out of some legal common sense.