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Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by tobtoh on Monday July 29, 2013 @09:44PM (#6124979)
For those people wondering why so many comments here are saying 'Glad to see Kathy blogging again', it's because she stopped blogging in 2007 after getting severely harassed online. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Sierra#Harassment

As someone who followed her previous blog 'Creating Passionate Users', I'm really glad she's back writing publicly - not so much for this particular post (which wasn't anything novel), but more that it means her scars have healed enough. Hope to see more posts from her soon!

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by benjaminwootton on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @01:19AM (#6125472)
ME too. She's brilliant. Her blog was some of the most insightful work I've ever read - http://headrush.typepad.com/
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by amenonsen on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @02:57AM (#6125679)
I remember the harrassment incidents, but I had never read anything she had written before. Thanks for the link.

As a former dog owner, I found the dog example in this article especially evocative, because I've seen what an effort it can be for dogs to sit still when they're told.

(Minor aside: the extraordinary overuse of emphasis made this article much harder to read.)

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by mdda on Monday July 29, 2013 @11:44PM (#6125293)
I'm as glad as anyone that Kathy starting to blog again - but she mentioned an important "My father died unexpectedly last week" in the middle of the piece. Hopefully, writing can be beneficial to both her (and to her audience that obviously appreciates the blog) in what are likely very difficult times. Best Wishes.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by jmduke on Monday July 29, 2013 @10:07PM (#6125024)
Wow, that's terrible. Was there something that instigated (not to imply that Kathy was somehow at fault) the harassment beyond "hurf durf there's a woman on the internet"?
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by nthitz on Monday July 29, 2013 @11:42PM (#6125290)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html

Weev has some curious quotes in this article

    “I want everyone off the Internet. Bloggers are filth. They need to be destroyed. Blogging gives the illusion of participation to a bunch of retards. . . . We need to put these people in the oven!”
and

    “The question we have to answer is: How do we kill four of the world’s six billion people in the most just way possible?”
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by canadiancreed on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @12:27AM (#6125381)
Ya that person needs a permanent stay in a rubber padded room. If they're not there already.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by sp332 on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @12:39AM (#6125406)
He's basically the least-sympathetic test case possible, but... the tech community is trying to set him free. For our own good. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6093468
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by tlrobinson on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @05:54AM (#6126057)
Weev is currently in prison, so yeah pretty much, minus the padding.

That said, the reasons for him being in prison are more disturbing than shit he's done over the years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#AT.26T_data_breach

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by bkmartin on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @09:41AM (#6126847)
I see he has a cozy little room just up the road from my house. Allenwood low is an easy ride for a Federal Prison stay.

So why is his reasons for incarceration more disturbing than the stuff he has done over the years? What I see is an intelligent guy, who could really do a lot of good if he could actually be civilly disobedient. But instead he chooses to go the antisocial way with some "moral highground". He played with fire, and he got burned. There are better, more respectful ways to be an activist and be an agent for change that would produce far more fruitful results.

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by sp332 on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @10:18AM (#6127062)
It's disturbing because it's innocuous and downright common. AT&T published customer's personal information where they shouldn't have. Weev downloaded it, and he's the one in trouble? If you look at my link just below, you can see a lot of security researchers who are worried that this court decision just made their jobs illegal.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by gamblor956 on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @12:31PM (#6128083)
Weev didn't just download the data, he released it without first telling AT&T about the flaw. If he had simply told AT&T the data was available, without deliberately violating the privacy of hundreds of thousands of people, he wouldn't be in a minimum security federal penitentiary right now.

Weev is not one of the good guys. He acted deliberately, and that makes all the difference.

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by sp332 on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @12:53PM (#6128249)
Weev made the info easier to get, and I'm not saying he should have done it, but the info was already available publicly on the internet. This should have been a civil case where AT&T could get damages or something. Instead they outlawed "using a script to download data that someone accidentally posted to the web", which is insane.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by lawnchair_larry on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @03:20PM (#6129348)
Nope, he didn't release it. He showed it to a journalist to substantiate his claim, and then deleted it.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by obstacle1 on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @10:34PM (#6131561)
If the information was already public-facing, was it not already 'released'?
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by sigzero on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @07:47AM (#6133002)
Not in the general usage of that word, no.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by obstacle1 on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @06:41PM (#6137304)
I'm not clear on what you mean. General usage of the word "release" necessitates prior confinement. Dumping a bunch of data on an open web server is not confining said data, it is making it public. Even if the data was previously confined -- by, say, company policy or copyright or whatever -- as soon as it is uploaded to the public-facing web server without protections it is released from confinement.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by adamnemecek on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @01:20AM (#6125477)
You do realize what's his 'profession' right?
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by msutherl on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @03:18AM (#6125723)
This article is unreal.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by yareally on Monday July 29, 2013 @10:57PM (#6125160)
It was never totally made clear what the people making the threats motives were, but most likely harassment because of her gender is considered the likely reason.

http://onebyonemedia.com/the-sierra-saga-part-3-who-are-the-...

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by bishnu on Monday July 29, 2013 @10:16PM (#6125044)
Wow this is appalling. Was it a large-scale campaign or was it all just weev? Disgusting.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by true_religion on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @12:38AM (#6125402)
From what I remember it was just one person who was very persistent, but she found it troubling enough to stop.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @06:14AM (#6126093)
tbh in the internet troll community, all it takes is one to start. A whole horde of trolling sheep will follow 'for teh lulz'.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by wicknicks on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @12:23AM (#6125374)
That sucks so much. I read her Design Patterns book when I was doing my undergrad in Electronics. The lessons in that book are somewhat of a 'commandment set' for me. Its terrible what she has gone through. Feels like hearing about a good teacher who went through a bad time.

Glad she's back. Hope she continues. Very thoughtful and excellent article.

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by jwise0 on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @02:24AM (#6125611)
One of the interesting things to notice is the title. HN usually has a fairly strict policy: the title of the link is what it is from the original post, without much modification (unless needed to make it clear). A post should stand on its own, without the author's name, ideally...

My initial reaction, I confess, was feeling that the submitter was attempting to discredit the author -- or otherwise, to separate the world of UX research -- by calling attention to her identity as a woman.

I still am not sure I believe that Kathy's name should be present -- I think it has the potential to do more harm than it is of use to readers -- but I now understand why it's there. Thanks for posting this explanation.

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by dools on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @12:04AM (#6125328)
What isn't novel about this post?!
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by gadders on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @04:35AM (#6125886)
It really annoys me that the people that hassled her before are walking around somewhere. They really need some bad karma to happen to them.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by efdee on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @04:55AM (#6125931)
Everytime you hear someone say "FREE WEEV"... This is the guy.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by nagrom on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @06:28AM (#6126131)
The implication from your post is that Weev is bad and therefore deserves to be locked up. No-one (I think) wants to free Weev because they're sympathetic to him and think he's a great guy. They want to free him because the legal and social precedent set by his incarceration is dangerous to everyone. It's not enough to say that so-and-so is bad and should be clearly locked up. You (should) need to prove that he contravened an already-stated law, wilfully. The minute that slips from the standard, everyone is exposed.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by awj on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @12:41PM (#6128159)
As much as I might dislike some of the things weev has done, he shouldn't be in jail for this. The idea that we can use unreasonable punishment to "dole out justice" for other unpunished behavior is really disturbing.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by gadders on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @08:53AM (#6126573)
I'm conflicted about that. He definitely deserves to be in jail, just not for what he is imprisoned for.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by yeahrightdbag on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @01:33PM (#6128545)
What exactly does he deserve to be in jail for?
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by gadders on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @07:53AM (#6133015)
You may be right. Perhaps some restorative justice like this might be more fitting:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4837815/curtis-woo...

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by VLM on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @02:03PM (#6128785)
Basically, not being civilized. Animals DO belong in cages, for the sake of civilization. I'm talking about the weird, crazy harassment stories, assuming they're true of course.

It inhumane to punish even animals for ridiculous illogical stuff, like, say, accessing a public website. Here I'm talking about AT&Ts security epic fail where they had to blame someone for their mistake...

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by yeahrightdbag on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @03:35PM (#6129466)
Assuming you are from the United States, if we jailed people for being uncivilized we'd end up with at least another 60 million people in jail.

Regarding the harassment stories and Kathy Sierra, I think they took their trolling too far. I don't think they made specific direct threats on her life, but rather said things like "I wish XYZ happened to Kathy" and photoshopped up some tasteless images. I might be a bit hazy on it, since it was quite awhile ago.

I was a fan of Kathy's blogging, so I was bummed when she took her ball and went home. I still don't think they should have thrown the trolls in jail, unless they were making specific death threats towards her.

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by saraid216 on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @04:24PM (#6129776)
"At some point at least one anonymous poster escalated the criticism and expressed their desire for Sierra's death, together with an image of her with a noose. The same poster had made violent sexual suggestions about her." -- http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Kathy_Sierra_incident

I remember seeing these images personally, but it's been a long time and I wasn't able to locate them again. Likelihood that any of these people would actually buy a plane ticket and pay her a visit? Pretty low. But is that a risk you really want to take, when you know they have your home address?

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by VLM on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @09:21AM (#6133433)
"I think they took their trolling too far"

There's no need for "on the internet" to be different than any other part of life.

Simply walk to your local newspaper office and give a journalist the same treatment and see what happens next.

Or give a librarian at a public library a hard time exactly the same way.

Or just some random woman on the street.

We have extensive case law for "disturbing the peace" and all that kind of stuff.

This is not all that unusual. You can read about this kind of behavior and its consequences in your local police blotter, probably available online for free.

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by freshhawk on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @05:59PM (#6130323)
"not being civilized"

Now we all hope that you never get anywhere near public office or the legal system.

Since arbitrary incarceration for being unpopular is just about the furthest thing from civilized I can think of, never mind calling them "animals", would you go to jail for making this statement or would that only happen if you actually implemented it?

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by VLM on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @09:02AM (#6133329)
LOL "arbitrary" we have an imperfect justice system to figure out if nooses and death threats are "disturbing the peace" enough to result in some criminal justice punishment.

LOL "unpopular". A short yet semi-accurate explanation of why civilized societies have a criminal justice system, is they've defined certain activities as uncivilized aka "unpopular" and want to suppress those activities. So, yeah, anyone not living in Somalia either agrees with, or consents to the idea of, people who do unpopular things should be punished. Its impossible to describe his behavior as civilized by any rational standard like "do onto others as you have them do onto you" or... well any standard I can think of. Even fairly savage backwards civilizations, like if she were a slave woman owned property of someone else, he would still at least be committing a property crime. Generally speaking you're probably doin' it wrong if appeal to an obsolete brutish standard is the best defense strategy...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting capital punishment or lock him up and throw away the key. He deserves about the same punishment for writing what he did, as a drunken moron who runs thru a public park screaming the same phrases would get... probably a night in the slammer to cool off and a municipal citation, although if he persists, like he did, involuntary mental commitment for evaluation/treatment seems the best outcome for all involved.

The ridiculous BS with AT+T is an injustice. Just because it happened to a guy who acted like a jerk and got away with it, doesn't mean the AT+T thing is OK or even remotely appropriate.

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by freshhawk on Wednesday July 31, 2013 @03:12PM (#6136151)
I should have been clearer I guess, I was only taking issue with your stance on the punishments for unpopular speech. I doubt we have a disagreement on wanting punishment for actual crime, just in regards to thought crime.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by throwit1979 on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @06:51PM (#6130652)
If I parse this sentence properly, it sounds like you are expressing regret that the trolls were not either killed or physically disabled.

TIL that death and/or dismemberment is an appropriate punishment for trolling.

Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by asdasf on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @11:21AM (#6127478)
He's in prison actually.
Re:Kathy Sierra: Your app makes me fat by callmeed on Tuesday July 30, 2013 @03:17AM (#6125720)
Crap, I didn't know she went to Cal Poly ...

Go Mustangs!