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Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by epa on Sunday July 28, 2013 @10:08PM (#6118992)
While it may be true that there are some outstanding ISP issues that lead to slow internet, I think the more pressing issue is the behaviour of the new(ish) youtube player acting erratic. For instance, you cannot fully load a video anymore, it will only load a portion as you continue watching. If you wish to rewind the video, for some reason youtube will want you to rebuffer the entire from where you have rewinded to. This is terrible when dealing with slow connections. I have found that since youtube has implemented three specific things, 1) new player, 2) changing of related videos, 3) google account requirements, the user experience has gone way down hill.
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by magicalist on Sunday July 28, 2013 @10:31PM (#6119049)
Not buffering the entire video has happened for a long, long time. Years. There's various browser extensions out there that can help you if you want them. The resolution selection is still weird, though, and jumping forward or backward to what look like buffered times is definitely annoying.

But the ISP makes a gigantic difference. I have the benefit of a great ISP (smallish in size, no surprise) and seeing all the youtube jokes about ads always working but not the videos themselves made me somewhat puzzled, as the very few times a video doesn't stream it's just as likely to be the ad that pauses as the main video, and that's super annoying because you can't skip ahead in an ad like you can the main video. I figured that other ISPs were worse, but there must be some exaggeration going on for comedic effect.

Then recently I was at my parent's house for a while, where they are on Time Warner. I really had no idea how unusable it could be. Constant pausing of video for loading every 20 seconds or so, waiting at the very beginning of almost every video, not knowing if a video was loading or there was some kind of error and the page needed to be refreshed.

I'm really used to checking youtube for how to do basic household tasks. Often you'll have to go through two or three to find a good video on a subject. You can't do that at all in that environment, as the waiting is just too much. I'd switch to 240p just to get the gist of a video to make sure I wanted to watch it, so definitely forget any movies you want to see with good quality video. I would queue up videos so at least something was buffered, which meant you have to plan ahead on what you want to watch, totally changing how you use the site.

It's really like a totally different product. I think of youtube as the wikipedia of home repair and cooking (or maybe more ehow or whatever, but the point is that it has an expert video for everything) and I also use it for constant mindless browsing and watching interesting talk after interesting talk, quickly deciding if something is worth watching within 30 seconds by scrubbing around in the video a few times. You can't use it for either of those things, and the desire to pull out your hair while waiting for anything else taints any other use, too.

If I was on that Time Warner connection, I wouldn't be making jokes about how ads always seem to buffer just fine, I would be completely puzzled how other people would think that Youtube was in any way worth using. It really felt like stepping back to dialup.

My connection isn't especially fast, but maybe my ISP does the local CDN thing. People should try it out, because I suspect the transition the other way would be closer to a religious experience, or like stepping out of a time machine. Meanwhile Googlers working on the youtube player might want to all get a Time Warner connection, as maybe designing for that (as opposed to more specific bandwidth or latency limitations) might make for a better player for the many suffering people out there.

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by drbawb on Monday July 29, 2013 @12:32PM (#6122120)
I have TimeWarner as well in SE Wisconsin. Quite honestly I wouldn't describe YouTube w/ the "dial-up" badge; but this is probably a regional issue, at least in part.

I have their second-highest tier, 30Mbps down / 5Mbps up. The speeds I receive are pretty consistent, even during peak hours, according to speed tests.

I often find that YouTube will either work splendidly on my TWC connection, or it simply won't work at all. In other words: perhaps 80-90% of videos I can seek to a new spot in a 1080p video w/o any perceptible buffering... the other 10% of the time the video just refuses to load, or seeking is horribly broken, or it cuts off before the video is finished.

I guess I would agree that, for the videos that fail, YouTube _does feel_ like a different product.

(I should also add that, in my case, advertisements usually work even when the video fails to load.)

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by Spittie on Sunday July 28, 2013 @11:09PM (#6119144)
ViewTube: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/87011

It replaces the YouTube player with the standard html5 video player. This alone made my experience on YouTube way better. My connection is slow, so many times I'll just open a YouTube video in a background tab, and leave it loading for a while. With this, I can just preload the whole video. And seeking doesn't make the video reload.

A side bonus, also, is that every video will use the html5 player, so making flash useless on YouTube (one of the few sites that make me keep flash installed). It will also remove the ads, so it might not be your thing for moral/ethical reasons.

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by zanny on Sunday July 28, 2013 @11:30PM (#6119209)
This thing is amazing, thanks for the script link!

My slow 1.5mbps Internet has had awful youtube experience since the player change. I have been downloading most of the videos directly to avoid using it.

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by chii on Sunday July 28, 2013 @11:51PM (#6119287)
how do you download the video? is it a browser plugin? I use chrome, and the old youtube downloader extension no longer works after their UI revamp (and the extension is no longer updated as far as i know).
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by voltagex_ on Monday July 29, 2013 @01:17AM (#6119484)
The best, non-scumware script is: http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by jlgaddis on Monday July 29, 2013 @09:41AM (#6121009)
I use "1-Click Youtube Video Downloader"[0] in Iceweasel on Debian unstable and it works great (it puts a "Download" button below the video between the Subscribe button and the number of views.

I've only used it a few times but it seems to work well. You can choose which video (resolution/quality) to download and then I usually watch 'em later using VLC.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1-click-youtu...

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by crazysaem on Monday July 29, 2013 @08:49AM (#6120678)
Video-DownloadHelper[0] is also a good choice if you need to download videos often, and from different sources (e.g. blip.tv). However, it only works with Firefox. Jdownloader can also download Youtube Videos (and many others).

[0] https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/video-downloadhe...

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by kawsper on Monday July 29, 2013 @05:50AM (#6120100)
I have used Keepvid.com before, it is simple and works good. Sometimes it requires the use of an Applet (which seems very suspicious to me) so I deny it access.
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by zanny on Monday July 29, 2013 @01:19AM (#6119492)
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by voltagex_ on Monday July 29, 2013 @01:18AM (#6119488)
Thank you! I had been using Chrome just for Youtube. Now, if only I could get Greasemonkey scripts to be saved by Firefox Sync.
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by jlgaddis on Monday July 29, 2013 @09:38AM (#6120989)
Holy crap, thank you very much!
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by Dewie on Monday July 29, 2013 @05:35AM (#6120077)
I've just installed this in Chrome and tried it on two videos and it is working great: the videos buffer quickly and seeking is fast and doesn't force a rebuffer. I've had problems with Firefox on YouTube, also trying the opt-in beta for the HTML5 player, but it didn't work. Cheers!
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by _frog on Sunday July 28, 2013 @10:12PM (#6118999)
There's a lot of issues with the new player. Even if you've buffered the video ahead, when you try to skip to a buffered segment the video starts loading again. On top of that I've had lots of issues where changing the video resolution just flat out doesn't work and greys out the option.
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by JoshuaRedmond on Sunday July 28, 2013 @10:30PM (#6119047)
There seems to be quite a few issues with video resolution. I had one video suddenly switch from 1080p full-screen down to 144p[1] in full-screen...

[1] - Apparently they added this quite recently http://www.ghacks.net/2013/04/06/youtube-introduces-ultra-lo...

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by est on Monday July 29, 2013 @02:05AM (#6119588)
Yeah that's annoying as hell.

You know you have fucked up player when congestion control http requests spam more than video stream itself.

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by skore on Monday July 29, 2013 @02:11AM (#6119602)
> Even if you've buffered the video ahead, when you try to skip to a buffered segment the video starts loading again.

It makes no logical sense for the player to reload something that was already loaded since that would handily double their traffic (if only in this situation).

Which makes me think they don't actually buffer anymore. The bar just shows a standard, imaginary amount of buffering by default and nobody really cares.

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by nitid_name on Monday July 29, 2013 @10:42AM (#6121358)
>Which makes me think they don't actually buffer anymore. The bar just shows a standard, imaginary amount of buffering by default and nobody really cares.

It makes me very uncomfortable how "true" that feels.

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by bryans on Sunday July 28, 2013 @10:22PM (#6119026)
Their player has always been abysmal, from day one. I've noticed a lot of A/B testing for the player recently, as well, and some of the things they're trying out just don't even begin to make sense. It is turning the simple act of watching a video into a legitimately irritating experience.
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by SomeRandomUser on Sunday July 28, 2013 @10:25PM (#6119035)
Failing to load HD versions of the video and then graying them out (reloading the page usually makes it work again), play the video in 320p and display the resolution as set to HD, SD to HD loading ad infinitum (or just display an error and stop playback), stop buffering after skipping (even to pre-buffered parts), really low streaming speeds (that fix after reloading the page), etc, etc.

Making a general video host is so expensive and complicated that we may have to just resign to use YouTube for at least some more years... but it's easily one of the worst user experiences regarding online videos.

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by PavlovsCat on Monday July 29, 2013 @12:22AM (#6119366)
For longer stuff, and when I know I will likely skip back and forth, I use a browser extension to download the video as mp4, and then VLC to watch it while it's still downloading.. so much nicer.
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by fsck--off on Sunday July 28, 2013 @10:30PM (#6119048)
> If you wish to rewind the video, for some reason youtube will want you to rebuffer the entire from where you have rewinded to.

Netflix does this too and it drives me nuts, especially when I'm watching something in HD because it automatically switches to low definition for a few seconds until the high definition version is loaded.

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by noselasd on Monday July 29, 2013 @05:51AM (#6120103)
This is driving me crazy. I've only a 1mbit connection, so I frequently used to pre-buffer as much as possible of a video. And I could watch the video without hitches and pauses at a good quality as it was already downloaded.

Moreover, the little that is prebuffered seems to behave oddly, you skip forward well within the indicated area that have been buffered, yet the player seems to reset and start re-downloading that part -> unueably slow.

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by kissickas on Sunday July 28, 2013 @11:13PM (#6119154)
Do you have your cache for Flash video on Youtube set to unlimited, or more than 4kb or whatever the ridiculous default is? I changed mine a week ago in the flash settings (right click on a video) and entire videos load fine now.
Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by reledi on Monday July 29, 2013 @01:43AM (#6119544)
> you cannot fully load a video anymore, it will only load a portion as you continue watching

I noticed that they introduced this feature around the same time they removed the right-click option to stop downloading the video.

Re:Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break... by conradfr on Monday July 29, 2013 @07:20AM (#6120326)
I use the SmartVideo add-on.

It helped a lot, especially when YT was slow as hell on Free in France.