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Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by dirktheman on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @03:22AM (#6088652)
I was in a similar situation once. I was outsourced to another company to do a rather specific sysadmin job. After a couple of months they switched systems, making my job obsolete. For some reason however, I never actually met the IT-manager. We nodded at each other in the hallway, sure, and he new I was the outsourced guy, but I’m sure he never knew what I really did. In fact, nobody knew what I did exactly. Even before the system swap, since it was a very specific task. Apparently he wasn’t aware that I was hired as a sysadmin for the previous system only, or maybe they replaced some paperwork, I don’t know. Fact is that for some reason my contract wasn’t terminated.

After a while, I began coding my own projects. Which was a bit of a challenge, since IT wouldn’t let me install software. I did have Notepad, and a WAMP-server on my USB thumb drive. Mind you, I did not have an office of my own, it was basically an office garden. Co-workers (testing, helpdesk, project management, not too technical stuff) could watch my screen directly. So I had to disguise my project websites as a corporate intranet page. Every once in a while someone would say ‘wow, that looks difficult’ and I would say ‘well, you know’. Mind you this was just basic HTML and PHP stuff.

The next problem was internet access. They did have internet there, but most websites were blocked by IT, and they were monitoring internet traffic, too. So I learned how to set up a proxy server, and figured that if I kept the amount of traffic down I’d be allright. Besides, I couldn’t have my coworkers seeing me browse SO all day, right? It’s amazing how resourceful you get when your resources are limited!

The funny thing is that when you look busy yet can still ‘find the time’ to help others, people hold you in high regard. They even sent praise about me to the IT manager, who came down to me once and told me he heard great things about me, and he passed the praise on to my outsourcing company. After a year or so I learned a great deal about web development, and finished a couple of side projects. I started to get some remorse. As funny and unique as the situation was, it didn’t feel right at all. Eventually I quit (to everyone’s surprise, because I was doing such a great job!), moving on to more challenging work, and above all a more ‘fair’ way to make money.

What struck me from those days is that nobody in my department actually knew what the others were doing. For all I know everybody was coding up their side projects in the boss’ time. And that was just my department, let alone the whole company. Large corporations (I’ve worked for several) are just so inefficient, I think that at least 50% of all employee hours is wasted on politics and sherades. The number is even higher if you count in useless meetings.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by Spooky23 on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @08:41AM (#6089613)
I had an even stranger experience. I was working on contract for a huge place to do some Oracle and systems management work in a small datacenter that was dedicated to a single purpose (it was a huge enterprise with about 80k sq ft of datacenter) around 2001. It was a beautiful setup, the wiring was nice, even the racks were really high end and setup thoughtfully. There were probably about 40 Sun boxes (e450s, e4500's) some AIX stuff, some windows stuff, about 3 racks of firewalls, tape robot, the works.

So I started setting up the management tools and noticed after a few days that nobody really came around much. Then I noticed that nobody was ever logging into these systems. Ever. It was a ghost datacenter running some WAN management stuff that nobody knew about -- some consultants set it up and left -- nobody knew what it was.

In my case, I did my job to the letter, I setup the management tools, got the servers and databases humming, etc. But the actual equipment was serving no discernable purpose. Total investment just in hardware and software was probably $5-6M

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by digibri on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @10:45AM (#6090316)
Though I've never worked for the large local telecom here in town I've had many friends and coworkers who have. I wish I had a dime for every time I've heard a story just like this (though smaller in scope). People have set up file sharing servers, game servers, whole warez team back ends...the works on hardware that was purchased & set up but never used. This is one of the primary reasons I've never wanted to work for Big Local Telco...
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by tanzam75 on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @02:53PM (#6092139)
I worked with someone who got fired for hosting MP3s on a surplus corporate machine.

At least, that was the excuse they used when they fired him. I think the actual reason was that he was hard to get along with. However, it's difficult to fire him for that reason. Much easier to fire him over misuse of corporate equipment.

The guy told everyone about his MP3 server. Including summer interns.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by UVB-76 on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @05:40PM (#6093099)
> [...] whole warez team back ends

Are you able to elaborate on this? I've always wondered how the warez scene functioned; residential Internet connections are obviously insufficient, hacked resources too risky, and warez groups turn their nose up at any form of legitimate resources (e.g. dedi/colo hosting)

This leaves corporate infrastructure. All it takes is a small IT team with a big budget, lots of hardware and network resources, and management who neither know nor care how their resources are being utilized.

It's terribly romantic.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by Spooky23 on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @08:32PM (#6100139)
I know that my past employers networks have been abused for long periods for game servers and MP3 hosting. Y2K period in particular resulted in lots of insane investments in IT, with very lax management in most places. Nowadays, tools and copyright take downs make it difficult to be completely inept.

Hacked resources are used as well. I worked at a place that used an old SGI Indy as a mail relay. It wasn't really managed, and somebody rooted it to use as a distribution server for warez and porn. I suspect the admins kept it running as a source for their own warez and porn needs.

I got involved when a spammer got in and sent millions of emails, flooding our puny T1 with bounces.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by lostlogin on Thursday July 25, 2013 @03:06AM (#6101260)
Has anyone worked anywhere that didn't have a bit of a server that was dedicated to piracy? I haven't. Even working for a large public healthcare provider. Slightly worse, there was even a torrent client using their fibre. The trick was to find an IT illiterate colleague or one who was leaving it best of all, both these things in one person. Their logins wouldn't e revoked for months or years. Use their login to set up torrent clients. If you called IT support and just played dumb you always found someone who would let you install stuff (I need this program for my section on ankle casting). Keep calling back until they answer. Once a torrent was running, stay well away from the computer until no one else is around as grumpy IT guys would hang round to try and catch you. This was long ago now, I pay for my media now, with the exception of a few shows from the UK which I can't pay for.
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by antitrust on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @01:13PM (#6091395)
One technique that managers use is to over-purchase.

Think about it this way:

If a need comes up, it's going to take months to get all the paperwork done to get new hardware.

If you have idle hardware, you're ready to go ASAP.

It's also a form of redundancy, albeit a primitive one. If equipment goes out, you have stuff you can swap out immediately.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by dirktheman on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @09:26AM (#6089842)
Awesome story! Did you ever fantasize about setting up a big data set avant la lettre, or running your own hosting company off of it?

Slightly related, this reminds me of the 400,000 euro costing MRI-like machine my employer bought, without checking if it could connect to our healthcare software. It didn't.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by lostlogin on Thursday July 25, 2013 @02:56AM (#6101242)
What is like an MRI? And as someone who peripherally deals with this sort of proprietary crap regularly, they almost never connect to anything nicely. Things have got better recently with people starting to follow te DICOM spec, but brand new GE MRI, PET, CT and X-ray rooms will not interface properly with our radiology information system. They also have a bug whereby any image post processing is uniquely identified by time (hour, minute second). It turn out this isn't unique and will merge patient's imaging when you use an off-the-shelf and popular system like Intellipacs. Oops. Philips is better, just. Their scanners just dump these files all over the picture archive and communication system which are called PR files. No one knows what they are, they just come out the scanners and are spread everywhere. I'd like to think Siemens are better but I only have a small amount of experience with this manufacturer.
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by novax81 on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @11:20AM (#6090537)
The amount of "Not knowing what people are doing" in large companies is rather alarming. I used to work at a company with about 700 employees just in the building I was in, and had turned in my two-weeks-notice due to the low amount of responsibility/work I was being given (bad management). During my last two weeks I of course had even less work, literally just one task to take care of and it would only take me about an hour. So I sortof just chilled and got my things in order for a few days, deciding to log into the server and take care of the job on Thursday.

So, Thursday comes and I try to get on the server... no response. A little more testing and the server looks like a dead box. I ring up IT and ask them to look into it, getting an email a few minutes later stating that the machine had a crash on Sunday night (4 days ago) and just hadn't been properly rebooted. As I logged in to do what I had intended to, it dawned on me that the department right next to mine had literally no other tasks right then except to be testing software on this server. Yet I, who had been putting off doing the work for 4 days, was the first to find out the server hadn't been working all week.

This sort of stuff is what makes small companies where your contributions matter feel even more rewarding.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by 300bps on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @12:16PM (#6090967)
the department right next to mine had literally no other tasks right then except to be testing software on this server

Testing is so easy to fluff over. I did a mobile banking project (Project A) for my current employer and the business area said they needed 3 weeks to test it. The person assigned to test it was also assigned to test another project simultaneously (Project B). She would tell me she didn't have time to test Project A because she was testing Project B, and she would tell the Project B people she didn't have time to test because she was testing Project A.

In the end, I looked at the usage logs on the test site... she logged in on the last day of the three week period, futzed around for 5 minutes and then signed off on the project as "fully tested - no issues".

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by nullc on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @06:23PM (#6093311)
> Testing is so easy to fluff over.

Good testing leaves artifacts, bad testing is easy to fluff over.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by mickeyp on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @05:35AM (#6089036)
This kind of thing does indeed happen with alarming frequency. I used to work for a transport consultancy and we had a lot of jetsam left over from when that particular transport industry was government-owned, and those guys... well, we never really knew what they did. They'd been with the company (and before then, the gov't) for decades but few knew what they did all day. They worked 9-5 and seemingly had their fingers in lots of pies, but nobody could quite tell what it was they did; occasionally they'd chime in in meetings or get drafted by managers to do stuff as they were "Subject Matter Experts" but ultimately they reported to nobody in particular, and had no real clout or job function beyond looking busy and massaging excel spreadsheets.

One guy in particular had a "birthday cake club" that he managed with ruthless efficiency; if you were a new starter you had to tell him your birthdate and he would allocate you a date where you'd bring in cake for everyone else in the office. He had a spreadsheet and everything. When it was somebody's turn to give away cake he'd go into each wing of our office and announce that cakes were ready, then bolt back to the kitchen to have first dips. Very strange guy - nobody knew what he really did beside that.

One day he was gone -- early retirement -- and the cake club, and spreadsheet, left with him.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by dirktheman on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @05:44AM (#6089056)
YES! It's been a while, but you suddenly reminded me of a similar arrangement we had for fetching coffee. We also used an elaborate Excel spreadsheet that took into account how much coffee you drank, the percentage of part-time (old geezers get to work less hours for the same pay, so it's only fair that they get to fetch less coffee, right?), off-days, holidays, etcetera. I'm pretty sure it was the most used spreadsheet of the entire department.
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by vacri on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @10:45AM (#6090313)
I once asked a colleague in the inventory department what his boss actually did, his boss managing inventory and factory floor. I knew he did scheduling and also programming security dongles (2 min job a couple of times/week). My colleague was given the scheduling to keep him interested enough to stay (inventory is dull...) and I was puzzled as to what his boss now did.

"So, apart from reprogram dongles, what does he do?" > "I don't know either"

"No, I'm not trying to be funny here, you work with him, what does he actually do?" > "I'm not being funny, I actually have no idea what he does with his time"

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by dirktheman on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @11:06AM (#6090429)
I had a boss who was full time manager over six persons. That was his job. Managing 6 people. We had a weekly chat with him for about 10 minutes each. That leaves him with 4 days and 7 hours of which nobody knew what he was doing...
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by dangero on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @04:36PM (#6092728)
I would say that's pretty normal and even reasonable. It depends on what the people do, but managing 6 people can easily be a full time job. I've actually been a manager of 6 people and found myself with no time to do anything else, but manage them.

As a manager of a software team, my goal is to make sure that everyone on the team is completely unblocked to do their job, so even though I only had 6 one on one employee meetings a week, I have meetings with managers, meetings for updates on projects, budgeting meetings, meetings to report to the company executives, getting all the signatures required for large purchases, meetings to discuss planning for future projects, meetings to plan our new process integration, meetings with higher ups to try to correct issues for my team. At one point I had 6 hours of meetings a day, so I think it adds up quickly. I'm not saying my company was efficient, but that's the reality of even a midsize company.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by tanzam75 on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @03:00PM (#6092187)
Meetings with the other managers.

I knew someone who was put into a partial-managerial role, i.e., still did real work, but counted as only half an FTE for the purposes of project planning. The management role was to oversee two people.

So if half a manager is for two people, it's not that great a leap to get to a full-manager for six people.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by cytokine_storm on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @04:54AM (#6088921)
Wow. I'm a student in a research microbiology lab and I could give a rough overview of the projects of everyone in my lab, and the neighbouring sister microbiolgy lab too. There's no room for charades because one of the first questions scientists ask each other at social events of any kind is "so, what do you do/ work on?" Not to mention how much you need to rely on others just to get basic experiments in reasonable shape.
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by dirktheman on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @05:05AM (#6088953)
And that's how it should be. In fact, that's what you get when you work with task-oriented people who are passionate about their work. In most large corporations however, your initial enthousiasm is smuthered rather quickly by people who just want to keep their jobs. After some 6 to 12 months, you comply. Another year passes by, and you get 'promoted' to a staff function or middle management. When that happens, you're the guy telling newcomers to 'take it easy and just go with the flow'.

Whatever you do in the future, remember the spirit and work ethics of the microbiology lab. If you find yourself working somewhere lacking that spirit but having the 'corporate' attitude instead, quit right away. Seriously. You'll thank me later!

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by hef19898 on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @06:46AM (#6089201)
Can only conjure on that. Hell, reading that comment brings up a lot of nice memories from back the day when I was young. You know, before I got promoted to, yes, a staff function. How do I miss these days. Unfortunately they won't come back..

So yes, try to work in environments with that attitude as long as you can!

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by jmcgough on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @06:56AM (#6089230)
Money is also a lot tighter in research labs, so lab heads have to run a tight ship and account for everything.
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @12:56PM (#6091260)
If you're bored, gotta find something to do, right?

This kind of thing is more frequent than I realized.

Last week I was reading a series of posts about how common it was for workers in machine shops to be doing work for themselves on company machinery. In a few cases, guys working the night shifts were basically running their own small businesses out of their "day job" often for years without the owner knowing about it.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by wisty on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @03:44PM (#6092431)
Here's what you don't understand:

Managers have to hit deadlines. Managers also write their own deadlines (to a large extent).

So they do what any rational person (or at least, anyone with the savvy to become a manager) will do - they write deadlines which can't possibly be missed. Lots of abstract terms (review methodology, test, design, etc), without links to concrete deliverables. Since there's no "real" outputs, no-one can check whether the work has been done. Obviously, there'll be a crunch at some point (quick, we have to actually build the web page we were designing!), but most of the time it doesn't matter whether people are feverishly working, or just letting the wheels spin.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by DanBC on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @09:03AM (#6089718)
I was an estimator for a company. When we didn't have any jobs to estimate on I had no work to do.

I offered to help out other people (who were very busy) but was given strict instructions by my boss not to do so. I have no idea why.

It meant I had about 9 months of 40 hour weeks where I'd do maybe an hour per week of actual work.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by riskable on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @10:02AM (#6090059)
At large organizations it is often the case that the amount of power you wield is determined by the number of employees that report to you. This creates an incentive to bring on new employees whenever you have the budget and to avoid layoffs of your people wherever possible. So even though Dan (the estimator) isn't really needed he still serves to increase some middle manager's power.

At organizations like this you'll often have "re-orgs" where a few people are laid off (relatively speaking) but the "managers that matter" (those with the most power) come out having the same number of people beneath them. It will seem completely arbitrary to the people at the bottom of the org chart why their boss's boss's boss changed but the truth is that it happened because that guy used his influence to finagle the org chart in such a way as to keep the same number of reports.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by dirktheman on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @10:19AM (#6090167)
Yes, I've experienced this first hand. Also, during the latest re-organization, they decided to lay us off and replace us with outsourced workers since upper management thought this was cheaper. My entire department got hired by the exact outsourcing company, and a couple of weeks later it was business as usual. Only 3 times more expensive for the company...
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by dirktheman on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @10:01AM (#6090052)
That IS weird, indeed. Haven't come across that, especially for a smaller size company. On the other hand, it never seizes to amaze me the reasons people have for some decisions. Completely irrational. Most likely your boss had to answer to someone at the top, and if they were to find out your department had too much slack time, they'd cut his budget.

I started working in 1998. Fresh out of school, I had this romantic idea about jobs being places where you go to perform a specific set of predefined tasks. 15 years down the road I learned about the waste, the fluff, the inefficiency, the incompetence of some managers, the politics and the corporate speak. They never teach you those things in school...

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by fallinghawks on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @02:00PM (#6091751)
Avoidance of budget cutting was something I saw every year working for a city agency. The entire budget had to be used up or else it would get cut back. My boss would divvy it up and ask each subordinate what they wanted to do with it. I usually upgraded or added to my computer equipment. It was kinda like Christmas every spring.

We had people who weren't entirely useless, but were paid an awful lot for the kind of work they did.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by dirktheman on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @09:30AM (#6089861)
I've had multiple jobs like that. The funny thing is, after a while you can't ask for work TOO often, because management will find out your function isn't really needed, and they'll terminate you. Another thing I observed is that the person you're replacing apparently was always super busy with the job. Which makes me superhuman in productivity, or that person was probably keeping up the appearance of being busy. Probably the latter!
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by DanBC on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @09:42AM (#6089915)
No no! They knew I didn't have any work to do - that's the scary thing. It was a small company (50 - 100 people) and the boss knew exactly how much work I had at any time. I had to sit at my desk and read a book. That was right. Offering to help other people was wrong. Unpaid leave? Also wrong.
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by keithpeter on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @04:49AM (#6088900)
"The funny thing is that when you look busy yet can still ‘find the time’ to help others, people hold you in high regard."

You could well have been adding value with the help you were giving, depending on how messed up their information flow/systems were.

Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by dirktheman on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @04:56AM (#6088925)
Oh, I was! Truth is, I actually liked some of my co-workers, so I'd be more than happy to jump in for them for helpdesk duty, during one of their weekly all-morning meetings. It gave me something to do, and it gave me the feeling that I wasn't a complete fraudster.
Re:Forgotten Employee (2002) by GFischer on Thursday July 25, 2013 @11:40AM (#6102972)
" I think that at least 50% of all employee hours is wasted on politics and sherades"

Only 50%? I believe 80% or higher is a better number.

I remember a post here about only getting 2 hours of "real" work done each day in a big bureaucratic company.

I'd quit my job in a heartbeat if I wasn't saddled with debt. Don't be me, don't get in a big debt, else you'll live in bureaucratic hell. Hopefully I'll get out by next year (and I do have a few side projects).