Maybe you don't like the place of the heart where he was born.

Maybe you wouldn't like to be him, neither his procedures.

Meh, even I dislike the O.S. he uses.

But anyway, the fact is there. And I will not be the one who kills the messenger.

Bravo, "Turkish security researcher".

Further, I'm not one to put folks into stereotypes based upon where they're from, but I do note the exceptional security violation earlier this year related to the Google Certificate being compromised by a Turkish ISP. Not that the two are related, but that's my most recent thought with respect to Turkish Security research.

You are definitely putting folks into stereotypes based upon where they're from.

This was probably not ethical, but he sure could have been anyone in the world.

The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person.

Given that ethics are strongly related to one’s culture, I find this unlikely as a general statement. What can be ethical for me may not be ethical for you. Think about guns, abortion, etc, even clothing.

To nitpick offtopic: Is there any proof of this? That "personality charasteristics" are completely independent of any other such charasteristics? I would believe that there's some correlation between various personality charasteristics, as a hypotethical example consider "ethical" people to be more likely to be helpful/nice and "unethical" be less helpful/nice.

Not that this has anything to do with... anything but... :( Sorry!

So it's innate and completely random? Social environment growing up doesn't matter? Wealth, social class, education, intelligence, none of that matters at all?

I did not mean that because one Turkish company did something untoward it automatically colors all Turkish people. I only meant that the most recent piece of news about Turkey with respect to computer security was the certificate incident. If that's worthy of pitchforks so be it, but I hardly think it's racist.

To be clear, I am not saying all Turkish security researchers are evil criminals bent on world domination. I am saying that the most recent piece of news I can I recall about security in Turkey was the issue with the google cert.

Nothing I said was inaccurate, the folks on HN just didn't like how I said it.

Somewhat related; when I was gay I one of the easiest giveaways of a closet homophobe was if the first sentence out of their mouth was: "I don't have a problem with gays," usually followed up by "my friend/cousin/uncle is gay."

Like you probably, they were usually pretty sweet homophobes because they were already self-censoring, but they were almost always homophobes nonetheless.

Is it not accurate that the last piece of security news from Turkey was about the SSL issue? Your implication tha I'm self-censoring is unwelcome and inaccurate.

My word choice in my original comment might've been poor, but you're going a bit too far in your analogy.

Again, I'm not saying all Turkish people are corrupt security researchers. I am simply saying that, perhaps I am ignorant, but the biggest security news I've seen out of Turkey was the SSL heist and now this. It does not imply, again, that all Turkish people are bad, it is only an evaluation of a piece of information with an attempt to provide a bit of context.

In getting back to the original point, it seems quite odd that the researcher had to attack Apple after his disclosure and it seems even odder to release customer information in a YouTube video. Does that sound like a senior security researcher to you?

So if I find two security violations (there's one like every other week) originating from the US across a random year, does that mean Americans are unethical?

Please take a couple of minutes to reflect on how wrong what you just did here really is.

You can make disparaging remarks about a nation without it having any racist intent. The people on HN and elsewhere who disparage the USA, for instance, could hardly be singling out a single race.

Just try replacing Turkish with gay, which is about equally as arbitrary of a relationship to pick, and see how the parent's statement sounds to you.

I can imagine that in the US racism more commonly concerns the traditional notion of race but in Europe, where race and nationality are usually synonymous for all intents and purposes, a workable definition needs to be a bit broader.

I double checked it on Wikipedia just to get a second opinion and this is what they have to say about it:

> Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes