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Re:Turkish security researcher claims responsibility for App... by mpyne on Monday July 22, 2013 @10:21PM (#6087809)
While I agree that a hacker being from country $FOO should bear no negative association with everyone else from the country, this doesn't appear to be racism, which is a label that already get applied too often.

You can make disparaging remarks about a nation without it having any racist intent. The people on HN and elsewhere who disparage the USA, for instance, could hardly be singling out a single race.

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Re:Turkish security researcher claims responsibility for App... by mtrimpe on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @04:01AM (#6088761)
If you choose to correlate two generally unrelated negative events based on race and imply they are a symptom of an underlying failing of character of the culture, that is very much racism.

Just try replacing Turkish with gay, which is about equally as arbitrary of a relationship to pick, and see how the parent's statement sounds to you.

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Re:Turkish security researcher claims responsibility for App... by mpyne on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @11:57AM (#6090845)
In that case it would sound homophobic, not racist.
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Re:Turkish security researcher claims responsibility for App... by mtrimpe on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @02:42PM (#6092057)
Exactly ...
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Re:Turkish security researcher claims responsibility for App... by mpyne on Tuesday July 23, 2013 @08:22PM (#6093791)
There's nothing "Exactly" about it, unless you're trying to claim that cultural norms are the same as races now.
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Re:Turkish security researcher claims responsibility for App... by mtrimpe on Wednesday July 24, 2013 @07:08AM (#6095438)
Ah OK. If we're talking definitions then indeed; as far as I'm concerned discriminating based on cultural norms of a specific country is still racism.

I can imagine that in the US racism more commonly concerns the traditional notion of race but in Europe, where race and nationality are usually synonymous for all intents and purposes, a workable definition needs to be a bit broader.

I double checked it on Wikipedia just to get a second opinion and this is what they have to say about it:

> Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes

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