Re:A Shuffle of Aluminum, but to Banks, Pure Gold
by Lagged2Death on Saturday July 20, 2013 @08:53PM
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The key question is whether the LME is free to change these rules...
They did change them, that's where the 3,000 number came from, did you even read this story?
...if the participants are free to use another exchange or start a competing one...
I don't see how that's likely to help. First of all, the metal suppliers have an incentive to use Goldman's warehouses and thus the Goldman-controlled exchange, since Goldman's paying them a kickback. Secondly, if enough metal is going through the LME, that sets the de-facto market price and you'd be daft to sell your Al for less than that, wouldn't you?
Re:A Shuffle of Aluminum, but to Banks, Pure Gold
by temphn on Saturday July 20, 2013 @09:02PM
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You're so hostile that you kick the ball into your own net. My question was whether LME was free to "change" the rule by abolishing it, or whether this was related to an underlying CFTC compliance issue. Because trying to increase the stringency of the rule did nothing:
Martin Abbott, the head of the exchange, said at the time
that he did not believe that the warehouse delays were
causing the problem. But the group tried to quiet the furor
by imposing new regulations that doubled the amount of
metal that the warehouses are required to ship each day —
from 1,500 tons to 3,000 tons. But few metal traders or
manufacturers believed that the move would settle the
issue.
This does not argue in favor of your tacit position that we just need more rules, or more men with guns to enforce them.
The key question is whether the LME is free to change these rules and/or purchasers are free to use another exchange in response to Goldman's attempt to increase prices. If they are not so free - if, say, the LME's rule here is imposed to be compliant with some CFTC or SEC or equivalent provision - then we are back to where we started.
Conversely, if the participants are free to use another exchange or start a competing one, then this issue is on the level of Zynga spamming Facebook - a dispute between two powerful private parties that will be worked out via LME countermeasures/competition rather than federal regulation.
[1] http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/29/us-lme-warehousing...
[2] https://www.lme.com/en-gb/regulation/ [3] http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/19/cftc-commodities-r...