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Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by mojuba on Friday May 08, 2009 @07:36PM (#600472)
Those who are trying to reinvent data search are underestimating Google and the Web at its present form. The fact that a search on any famous film director or actor returns IMDB, or the fact that "When was JFK shot?" (mentioned in another comment here) returns a highly relevant Wikipedia article, tells us that the Web has already adjusted itself to be the semantic Web, and most importantly, a simple and predictable one. In simple cases like I mentioned above I know what to expect from Google, because I know how it works and also the Web constantly fixes itself to be searched easily. So this is a simple, very democratic and predictable system we all use successfully.

On the other hand, it is always hard to deal with systems that we have little knowledge about. I suspect WA is the "hard" case.

So, what problem Wolfram is trying to solve? Anyone has any problems with Google?

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by silentOpen on Friday May 08, 2009 @08:09PM (#600506)
The problem is one most people don't know they have, unfortunately. Google only lets you talk about crude keywords to find prebuilt data. If WA lives up to the hype, you should be able to formulate a hypothesis involving arbitrary supported datasets and have WA build you data tables and visualizations.

Will most people realize the sorts of questions they can ask? Probably not. Do most SQL datasets get used to their fullest potential? Probably not. Imagine what it does for the curious student, journalist, or professional, though.

Some things I'd like to see:

1. Percentage of population in African countries with HIV/AIDS over time. Regional, or demographically coded information would be interesting as well. I'd also like it sourced. I could go look this up somewhere... or I could just ask WA.

2. Fertility vs. per capita GDP for countries/regions in the world.

This is not to mention all the historical event, chemical, physical, etc. data.

Imagine NYT data visualizations built on WA data. Private data sets that people slice and dice with WA and then sell specific visualizations, etc.

It's a problem we don't know we have. Success will critically depend on flexibility, ease of use, and accurate and broad data sets.

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by 10ren on Friday May 08, 2009 @09:31PM (#600607)
Sounds like you're thinking of the visualized datasets in http://www.gapminder.org/ and the TED talk http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_be...

WA seems like a generalization of that. Instead of seeing it as a google-killing AI inference engine, you're saying to think of it as a way to do effortlessly what you could do already... if you went to the trouble to gather the data, put it into mathematica or similar analysis tool.

This is a very credible claim, and I can imagine it quickly finding unforeseen uses, as you say - provided it really is reasonably effortless (as in your four criteria).

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by mojuba on Friday May 08, 2009 @08:41PM (#600544)
http://www.google.com/search?q=Fertility+vs.+per+capita+GDP+...

You can click on the first link - your answers are there.

Notice that the two examples you gave belong to a fairly narrow field - statistics, something that seems to be the trickiest to collect in more or less structured form. But try it yourself, you'll see how easy it is to find virtually anything nowadays. In most cases there's a good chance someone in the world thought about something you are interested in and has put it out on the Net already. If you are the first to ask a question, then I doubt WA will give you useful results either.

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by jpd on Friday May 08, 2009 @08:51PM (#600555)
The results for "Fertility vs. per capita GDP for continents" is significantly less useful though.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Fertil...

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by mojuba on Friday May 08, 2009 @09:00PM (#600567)
True, because neither is the question itself very useful, and thus nobody cared to build an answer for it.
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by anigbrowl on Friday May 08, 2009 @09:30PM (#600605)
I got some...interesting results by exploring these terms; for example, i was able to get a scatterplot of infection rates vs size of population in Africa. On the other hand, I can't seem to pipe data into a map to save my life. Maybe that's not switched on yet, some things explicitly aren't. More info tonight or tomorrow, after I've tried running Mathematica at the same time.
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by aaronsw on Friday May 08, 2009 @07:43PM (#600477)
You can't do computation with those results. At the first level, this means you have to click a link and load a page. But it also means that you can't ask compound questions ("What films did Orson Welles make that star Ruth Warrick?"). And you can't use the answers in other programs thru an API.
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by rictic on Friday May 08, 2009 @08:53PM (#600556)
That query on Freebase, ready to compose and consume as JSON: http://tinyurl.com/on79u3
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by mojuba on Friday May 08, 2009 @07:58PM (#600494)
Just tried your query and got perfect results in Google, right at the top. And I'm yet to see how WA answers that question. I think it may be able to answer it, but only if it was designed to understand this particular kind of questions and if particular pieces of information were selected for inclusion in WA's database.

WA, to my understanding is not entirely self-regulating like the Google/Web bundle and thus it will be difficult for WA to catch up. We'll see.

Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by amichail on Friday May 08, 2009 @07:48PM (#600486)
If the question is a commonly asked one, someone will build a service to answer it. And that person could also provide an API.
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by smhinsey on Friday May 08, 2009 @07:57PM (#600493)
It seems like you're asking for something like what Wolfram has built.
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by amichail on Friday May 08, 2009 @08:09PM (#600505)
Actually, what I'm describing already exists. It's the way the Web works today.
Re:Tell HN: Wolfram Alpha preview goes live by alain94040 on Saturday May 09, 2009 @01:21AM (#600740)
underestimating Google? I place Google pretty high up on the scale of having smart people. Really high. Like #2. Actually, the only people that can beat extremely bright engineers at this game are mathematicians. That's what Wolfram does (remember, Mathematica?).

The complexity that mathematicians can compute is at least an order higher than engineers. Think of Linus vs. grandma struggling with 3 lines of HTML. The same gap is between the brightest of engineers and a good mathematician.

So that's why I place Wolfram #1 and Google #2, for that particular space (computation). But if you are a bright engineer and never got exposed to good mathematicians, you may just not even be aware that there is all this realm of knowledge above your head.