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Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by Afforess on Saturday July 06, 2013 @07:51PM (#6000480)
Consider the flip side of the coin. The money from Amazon gives Canonical the ability to employ more developers, improve Ubuntu and add features faster, etc.
Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by nivla on Saturday July 06, 2013 @08:21PM (#6000541)
At the cost of privacy? No thanks, instead I will gladly donate to Canonical. Sending it to Amazon doesn't help either. Amazon is the Google of shopping. The more data they have, the better they can guess as to what you want. Search for X on Amazon while logged in and the next day you will receive an email recommending similar items. They have also admitted to storing your watching habits. Every play, pause, rewind and fast-forward is logged while watching a prime video. The higher the analytics, the better the recommendation.
Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by thaumasiotes on Saturday July 06, 2013 @08:51PM (#6000597)
> The higher the analytics, the better the recommendation.

Sure, in a concave down horizontal asymptote kind of way. My impression from things like the Netflix prize is that improving predictive accuracy for recommendations is an extremely high-cost, low-yield endeavor. I remember one day being shocked at the quality of Amazon's recommendations for me (since they'd always been crap), and looking to see how they'd picked such winners. The result? All of those products were ones I'd personally added to my old forgotten amazon wishlist.

Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by tomrod on Saturday July 06, 2013 @10:39PM (#6000832)
The phrase you're looking is diminishing marginal returns. You hit the behavioral nail on the head with this analysis!
Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by thaumasiotes on Sunday July 07, 2013 @02:39AM (#6001279)
Well, sqrt(x) has diminishing marginal returns, but it's still unbounded. I'm pretty sure there's a hard limit to how good recommendations can get at all (think more like arctan(x)).
Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by bpatrianakos on Saturday July 06, 2013 @08:54PM (#6000603)
Why is it so terrible that Amazon know your shopping habits? Honest question. I've heard of cases where Amazon knew a woman was pregnant before her family and such things but I can't think of anything that would apply to most people that would be bad and come from Amazon knowing your shopping habits. Heck, even you yourself make a good case for why it's helpful for them to do so.

Sometimes I feel like people are against this as a matter of philosophy, knowing it'd be rare for it to have a negative effect on them. And I'm not saying that's bad or knocking it. I'm just trying to get a sense of why this is so distasteful. I've never seen an Amazon result when I search using the latest Ubuntu by the way. Then again, I'm only searching for applications or files on my machine. I've also never seen an ad on my desktop. I know these things exsits but don't know why I'm not seeing them.

Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by siddboots on Sunday July 07, 2013 @05:12AM (#6001543)
> Why is it so terrible that Amazon know your shopping habits? Honest question... I can't think of anything that would apply to most people that would be bad and come from Amazon knowing your shopping habits.

I think you are putting the onus on the wrong party.

It's easy to imagine a scenario in which Amazon might be nefarious or incompetent with my data, or in which they may share my data with another party who is. However, I don't need to demonstrate that these scenarios are likely in order for me to desire privacy: If I am merely undecided about who I want to share my data with, then the rational thing for me to do is to not share my data.

To my mind, it seems immoral to release a product that shares search data by default and without notice.

> Sometimes I feel like people are against this as a matter of philosophy...

Absolutely. Are "matters of philosophy" a poor way to inform actions?

Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by jfoster on Sunday July 07, 2013 @08:34AM (#6001858)
In my experience, you will enjoy life more if you think along the lines of "what's the worst that could happen?" Otherwise there's too many things to worry about or be unhappy about.

Amazon might even knowingly share some of your shopping habits with some organization you don't want them to, but what's the worst that could happen? Is it worse than the effort you'd put into ensuring that doesn't happen?

Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by e12e on Sunday July 07, 2013 @04:23PM (#6003292)
If you can't imagine anything bad happening, you lack imagination.

Assume Amazon will lose your data. Assume everyone else (facebook, twitter, g+, flickr) will lose your data, give them up -- or that they are already public.

Assume someone will correlate all that data, and sell it as a black market service to allow anyone to track you, see if you're in or out of your house, assume your government will put you on a no fly list if you're buying books on military tactics, left/right wing political opinion, assume your government will become oppressive in 15 years and mark up all your kids for "special attention" based on your shopping habits today etc etc...

See also:

"The Right to Privacy by Louis Dembitz Brandeis and Samuel D. Warren" http://www.gutenberg.org/files/37368/37368-h/37368-h.htm

Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by siddboots on Sunday July 07, 2013 @10:25AM (#6002087)
I'm sorry, but I just don't agree. You are advising me to be complacent, and I prefer not to be that way.

You are also understating this specific issue by describing the data as "shopping habits".

Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by jacobparker on Saturday July 06, 2013 @10:58PM (#6000867)
It's not just shopping habits. Its also any file name you search for, etc.
Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by snom380 on Sunday July 07, 2013 @08:04AM (#6001811)
Afaik Amazon gets everything, including app and file searches.
Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by saratogacx on Sunday July 07, 2013 @02:26AM (#6001261)
It was Target who had the "know you were pregnant before your family knew" story
Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by chris_wot on Sunday July 07, 2013 @08:38AM (#6001867)
It's what else they can do with that data that's the problem.
Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by kklimonda on Saturday July 06, 2013 @08:49PM (#6000594)
To be fair Canonical is using their servers as proxy so the data can be anonymized before it's sent forward to Amazon.
Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by desas on Sunday July 07, 2013 @01:04PM (#6002548)
The data doesn't go directly to amazon it goes to canonical who passes the query on to Amazon without personally identifiable info.
Re:Ubuntu 13.04: Getting Excited About Ubuntu Again by g8oz on Saturday July 06, 2013 @10:47PM (#6000847)
How is Unity an improvement over Gnome 3?