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Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by mindcrime on Sunday June 30, 2013 @03:19PM (#5966825)
So, the moral of this story, as I see it, is something like:

Start the process of creating a false identity (or two or three or ten) right now, if you think you may ever be in a position to need to flee across international borders. Obtain multiple sets of credentials, including passports and related documents.

I know this isn't an easy process, but it's at least theoretically possible. Neil Strauss gets into it a bit in his book Emergency[1], and there are dozens of other books[2][3][4][5][6] out there on how to obtain a new identity, forge documents, etc.. And if it takes a little "black hat" hacker action as well... well, so be it.

[1]: http://www.amazon.com/Emergency-This-Book-Will-Save/dp/00608...

[2]: http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Back-Alley-Man-Construction/dp...

[3]: http://www.amazon.com/Acquiring-New-ID-Easily-Technology/dp/...

[4]: http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Identity-Changer-Privacy-Person...

[5]: http://www.amazon.com/The-I-D-Master-Identity-Change-Profess...

[6]: http://www.amazon.com/Make-Drivers-Licenses-Other-Computer/d...

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by driverdan on Sunday June 30, 2013 @08:51PM (#5968023)
Former ID thief here. Those books are all outdated or garbage. There are three ways of changing your ID: your parents creating a second ID when you were born, stealing someone else's, or bribes. If you already had the first you wouldn't be looking at these books.

Bribes are unlikely to succeed and will probably get you arrested. Even if they do work the person you bribed knows about your new ID. If they get arrested you'll also be caught.

That leaves stealing someone else's ID. It's not that hard but can be time consuming and of course it's illegal with a mandatory minimum federal sentence in the US. You'll need to know how to forge various documents, among other skills I won't go into. Most documents are easy to forge including many state IDs. If you don't need to travel out of the country it's totally doable. Getting a passport is much harder since you'll need to get the real thing. There are ways to do it but you'd have to be pretty serious and the risks are fairly high.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by fixxer on Sunday June 30, 2013 @10:11PM (#5968236)
> Former ID thief here.

Hilarious. Former victim of ID theft here.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by alex_doom on Sunday June 30, 2013 @03:55PM (#5966954)
Most of those books are useless now. They were all written pre-2001. And I would wager all the loopholes used have been patched up. I'd be interested to see what Neil Strauss does, I didn't realize he had a book out.
Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by berkut on Sunday June 30, 2013 @04:28PM (#5967060)
Yeah.

It used to be very easy to get copies of birth certificates and things (with almost no proof you're the person it's for), but at least in the UK, they tightened this up in around 2004.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by mindcrime on Sunday June 30, 2013 @04:05PM (#5966981)
Most of those books are useless now. They were all written pre-2001. And I would wager all the loopholes used have been patched up.

It would be interesting to see. But even if all of the old loopholes have been patched up, I'd wager that new ones have emerged at the same time. It's just a question of finding them.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by hkmurakami on Sunday June 30, 2013 @04:22PM (#5967043)
A more straightforward option may have been to outright get citizenship in another country. If he was making $200k/year, then in a few years he probably would have had enough funds to indirectly "buy" citizenship in another country (it's no secret that wealth expedites the naturalization process without even needing to make bribes).

If here were willing to wait 5 years to see if the Obama administration would make things better, he probably could have afforded to wait another few years. (Though one mitigating factor is the time limit after obtaining the documents and getting found out)

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by jonknee on Sunday June 30, 2013 @05:59PM (#5967415)
That would have killed his security clearance.
Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by adventured on Sunday June 30, 2013 @04:32PM (#5967074)
He was making $125,000 per year, and $200,000 was the most that he made earlier in his career.

Here's the math. $150,000 average - $44,000 for income taxes. Subtract another minimum of $3k to $4k per month for living expenses, given he was in Hawaii.

Snowden likely couldn't have saved more than $35k to $50k per year.

It would have taken him a decade or more to save the kind of funds required to both buy citizenship and live on it.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by agilebyte on Sunday June 30, 2013 @05:53PM (#5967388)
Dominica citizenship goes for $100k (1).

Cost of living in Dominica (2) is between 40-60% cheaper than in Honolulu. Working as a telecommuting freelancer I think he would be fine.

1: http://www.isla-offshore.com/services/citizenship-dominica/

2: http://www.numbeo.com/

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by br78 on Sunday June 30, 2013 @08:31PM (#5967969)
Is Dominica a safe haven from CIA rendition though?
Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by taeric on Sunday June 30, 2013 @04:41PM (#5967108)
Just going from your own numbers, he could have saved about 70k a year, if he was motivated. Right? (150 - 44 - 3.5 * 12)

That said, yeah, probably not enough to retire on.

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Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by smartician on Sunday June 30, 2013 @05:56PM (#5967401)
Dominica "sells" citizenship for $100k, and St. Kitts & Nevis wants a $250k donation, or a $400k real estate investment. A similar program with the same amounts exist for Antigua & Barbuda.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/28/business/world-overlooked-...

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by embolism on Sunday June 30, 2013 @05:30PM (#5967298)
Actually not. In the US it's about $750,000 to get a green card and citizenship is just a matter of time after that.

I'm sure there are other places that are a lot cheaper.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by agilebyte on Sunday June 30, 2013 @05:54PM (#5967396)
Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by ebiester on Sunday June 30, 2013 @03:27PM (#5966855)
It doesn't work when your pictures are on the front page news.
Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by mindcrime on Sunday June 30, 2013 @03:33PM (#5966878)
Maybe, maybe not. Not everybody pays attention to the news... and it's not that hard to make yourself look different enough to evade the average Joe... like the guy/gal at the airport, earning minimum wage working as a ticket counter clerk, or TSA agent (or other national equivalent). Even the border police types can't examine everybody under a microscope. If you're a guy, grow a beard (or shave yours), dye your hair a different color, put on glasses (or take off yours), and you probably stand a decent chance of escaping notice.

Of course, this all requires some foresight, as you'd have to have ID documents done with the "disguised" appearance... but that's half my point - now is the time to start working on getting alternate identities, if you think there's even a slight chance you might need it.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by rickdale on Sunday June 30, 2013 @04:39PM (#5967097)
This is true, a lot relies on people noticing and people tend to not pay attention. The last time I was at the airport, the couple in front of me split to two different security lines. They had mixed up their ID's and funny enough one agent noticed while the other let the lady through.
Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by zalew on Sunday June 30, 2013 @03:32PM (#5966871)
forging papers is the easy part. the hard part is knowing which borders you can safely cross and how to do it without setting alarm bells.

all of that doesn't concern snowden since he's on the run with a celeb status.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by klapinat0r on Sunday June 30, 2013 @05:07PM (#5967218)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_passport really? You'd have to find a country not using biometric passports, and a country allowing entrance with non-biometric passports to begin with. Then add photo and forging the actual paper.

I wouldn't call that easy.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by zalew on Sunday June 30, 2013 @05:33PM (#5967310)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambassador_%282011_film%29 this Danish guy obtained a diplomatic Liberian passport and went to Central Africa to deal diamonds, and was interviewed even by the head of intelligence there. I won't spoil what failed on his journeys, but obtaining papers while a bit hard, wasn't impossible.

> a country allowing entrance with non-biometric passports

haven't heard of it tbh. a passport has to be valid. since Polish passports have 10 year validity, you can travel today with an old passport from late 2003. now I checked Canada demands a visa from Poles who have an old passport, not sure about, uhm, the vast whole rest of the world.

forging docs is 'the easy part', not 'easy' per se. what's challenging is crossing borders if you're on the run - you need some expertise about their security habits and diplomatic relations. if you got into criminal shit and Interpol is after you, you're screwed anyway, if they can track down top level mobsters hiding in a foreign village, they will track down an amateur.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by joe_the_user on Sunday June 30, 2013 @04:02PM (#5966975)
As I understand it, Edward Snowdon revealed his identity intentionally as part of his action.

He did his actions with the view that being public and making this public was more important than the dire consequences that were very plausible.

And naturally, creating a false identity is much harder for someone who's had access to this information. They track people like that - constantly - it's not even the same as ordinary surveillance since anyone entering this world agrees to it.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by Sven7 on Sunday June 30, 2013 @04:41PM (#5967105)
Ah so the NSA has another NSA monitoring it...and then I guess it's turtles all the way down.
Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by drivebyacct2 on Sunday June 30, 2013 @05:47PM (#5967368)
>They track people like that - constantly - it's not even the same as ordinary surveillance since anyone entering this world agrees to it.

Yeah, no one would ever be able to walk out with hard drive(s) full of data and then fly to hong kong and russia and leak it with that much nsa surveillance. Oops.

Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by jorgeseagull on Sunday June 30, 2013 @04:12PM (#5967007)
Thanks; I bought those books.
Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by uptown on Sunday June 30, 2013 @08:44PM (#5968000)
And probably just added yourself to all sorts of watchlists.
Re:Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’ by jorgeseagull on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @06:02PM (#5981041)
It's like the guest list for a private party :)