Re:Amazon's near-$500 price tag kills Kindle DX buzz
by teej on Wednesday May 06, 2009 @12:58PM
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Everyone in the market for a Louis Vuitton bag is always bummed when they realize they can't afford the $5,000 bag in the window. But once they're in the store, the $500 bag in the back ends up looking like a great deal in comparison.
Re:Amazon's near-$500 price tag kills Kindle DX buzz
by jerf on Wednesday May 06, 2009 @02:03PM
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Talking about college students spending $500 for this is radically premature. There's no way that by August that a significant number of universities will be all-digital on the book front, and they aren't going to switch for the spring term, either.
So, the soonest case where any fraction of college students might be Kindle-only is August-ish, 2010. Any guesses on what this will cost by then? Probably ~$200 or less, for something a generation or two more advanced. (Perhaps not color by then, but higher res, I bet.)
And frankly, even in 2010 the colleges that have an all-digital option will still be the exception. I would expect it'd be at least 2012 before a student might reasonably choose this option.
The real question is "will anybody buy it today and subsidize further development?" And the Kindle 1 sales seem to say yes. I don't really know because AFAIK Amazon has not released sales numbers, but they are certainly acting as if these things are selling fast.
Re:Amazon's near-$500 price tag kills Kindle DX buzz
by duncanj on Wednesday May 06, 2009 @03:46PM
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It's not all about books. The inclusion of a PDF reader makes this a big deal. In many schools, everything you need to know for a class is in the instructor's PDFs.
Re:Amazon's near-$500 price tag kills Kindle DX buzz
by ilamont on Wednesday May 06, 2009 @01:01PM
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I don't think this is a great comparison. iPods were going up against portable CD players and hard-to-use/lower capacity mp3 players. And, people could convert their CD collections for nothing or buy a single song at a time.
If you were a student (or if you are a student) would you buy a $500 Kindle to read textbooks, plus a lot more to download digital versions of the texts? Unless there's a slam-dunk cost benefit that students can see, I don't think this is going to make a huge impact on the textbook market at this price point.
As for magazines and newspapers, I don't think most people can justify a $500 expense to read magazines and papers that they can get for much cheaper in print or free on the Web. I subscribe to the WSJ for $90 a year and read the NYT for free on my iPod Touch and Web browser. Even if the NYT started charging $50 for the Touch and Web versions, it would still be just a fraction of the investment required for reading it on the Kindle.
Re:Amazon's near-$500 price tag kills Kindle DX buzz
by chaosmachine on Wednesday May 06, 2009 @01:03PM
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The new Kindle can read PDF files. Just like the iPod did for songs, suddenly you can have any book for free, if you're willing infringe copyright. That's a big selling point in the student market (there are a number of textbook-dedicated torrent sites). Imagine, $500 for a semester's worth of books, or $500 for a kindle and copy the books from your friend.
Re:Amazon's near-$500 price tag kills Kindle DX buzz
by ilamont on Wednesday May 06, 2009 @02:38PM
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Because laptops don't fit in your pocket.
I am sure that Kindle owners love the devices, for the reasons that you stated. The problem I have is the price. Students and newspaper readers will have a tough time justifying a $500 purchase, especially in this economy.
Re:Amazon's near-$500 price tag kills Kindle DX buzz
by preview on Wednesday May 06, 2009 @01:49PM
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For reading PDFs, the key differentiator is battery life. Also, the aspect ratio of the display on the Kindle is better for reading a document. If the laptop is always plugged in, then the battery life argument goes away. But, reading a document formatted for 8.5 x 11 on a wide screen display is not the ideal experience.
I would also dispute the effectiveness of taking notes on a laptop. As soon as you want to write anything other than text (e.g. diagram or equation), you'll slow to a crawl. (At least, I would slow to a crawl.)
I agree that $500 is a steep up front investment given the similarity in price point to a low end laptop.
Re:Amazon's near-$500 price tag kills Kindle DX buzz
by yan on Wednesday May 06, 2009 @01:48PM
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Because the difference in readability between an e-ink screen and an LCD is absurd. Yes, technically you can read PDFs on a netbook/laptop, but once you pass 20 minutes of reading, you start wishing you had a paper copy.
Re:Amazon's near-$500 price tag kills Kindle DX buzz
by Radix on Wednesday May 06, 2009 @01:59PM
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I wish Wacom had more competition and that touchscreen laptops were cheaper. I believe a lot could be done with them if they could be brought down to the general consumer's price level.
I would rather spend $350-$400 more on a touchscreen for a new laptop.
Re:Amazon's near-$500 price tag kills Kindle DX buzz
by mbrubeck on Wednesday May 06, 2009 @05:35PM
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What did people expect? The existing small Kindle costs $360. Large-screen ebook readers from other companies cost even more than the Kindle DX. How exactly did anyone expect that Amazon would get a larger e-ink display without raising the price?
So, the soonest case where any fraction of college students might be Kindle-only is August-ish, 2010. Any guesses on what this will cost by then? Probably ~$200 or less, for something a generation or two more advanced. (Perhaps not color by then, but higher res, I bet.)
And frankly, even in 2010 the colleges that have an all-digital option will still be the exception. I would expect it'd be at least 2012 before a student might reasonably choose this option.
The real question is "will anybody buy it today and subsidize further development?" And the Kindle 1 sales seem to say yes. I don't really know because AFAIK Amazon has not released sales numbers, but they are certainly acting as if these things are selling fast.
If you were a student (or if you are a student) would you buy a $500 Kindle to read textbooks, plus a lot more to download digital versions of the texts? Unless there's a slam-dunk cost benefit that students can see, I don't think this is going to make a huge impact on the textbook market at this price point.
As for magazines and newspapers, I don't think most people can justify a $500 expense to read magazines and papers that they can get for much cheaper in print or free on the Web. I subscribe to the WSJ for $90 a year and read the NYT for free on my iPod Touch and Web browser. Even if the NYT started charging $50 for the Touch and Web versions, it would still be just a fraction of the investment required for reading it on the Kindle.
It's the e-ink, the portability, the battery life, the weight of the device.
Everyone I know that has a Kindle loves it.
I am sure that Kindle owners love the devices, for the reasons that you stated. The problem I have is the price. Students and newspaper readers will have a tough time justifying a $500 purchase, especially in this economy.
I would also dispute the effectiveness of taking notes on a laptop. As soon as you want to write anything other than text (e.g. diagram or equation), you'll slow to a crawl. (At least, I would slow to a crawl.)
I agree that $500 is a steep up front investment given the similarity in price point to a low end laptop.
I would rather spend $350-$400 more on a touchscreen for a new laptop.