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Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by davidw on Monday June 24, 2013 @03:17AM (#5931449)
Europe is pretty diverse too: look at how many languages are spoken there, and how many different cultures there are. Thinking about the US, in some ways, it's pretty strange to consider that people across such a large swath of land speak the same language. Even the regional accents are quite a bit less varied than Italy's dialects and languages.
Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by jasonjei on Monday June 24, 2013 @03:45AM (#5931541)
I'm Chinese American. My parents are from Taiwan. I was born in Phoenix. Among all the places I've traveled, I've found California and New York's racial diversity unmatched by any other part of the world. There is no other part in the world where you'll find Greek, Chinese, Japanese, Persians, Israelis, French, Mexican, Irish and so forth on the same road. I haven't seen it on the scale as it happens in Cal or NYC.
Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by davidw on Monday June 24, 2013 @03:54AM (#5931573)
From that point of view, yes, the US is likely more of a 'melting pot' than most of Europe. London is probably close. There's a lot of nuance to it, though - big cities are different than small towns, immigration patterns change over time, and so on.

The melting pot, to some degree, eliminates that diversity, though. After a generation or two, lots of people are unable to speak their parents/grandparents native language. Perhaps that's less true today, with cheap travel, the internet, and people placing more value on diversity and knowing more than one language - it'd be interesting to see some research. Anecdotally, a ton of the older Italian-Americans I've met don't speak Italian much - they wanted to blend in and not be 'foreigners', and only later in life realized that not speaking the language was a loss.

Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by mbesto on Monday June 24, 2013 @05:19AM (#5931855)
I've lived in both London and NYC. NYC feels more diverse simply because it's a bit strange to have loads of foreigners in the country when we know very well that it's very difficult to enter the country legally, whereas London is about 50/50 british to non-british. Not to mention, GB is comprised of England, Wales, Scotland, so you have that combined with the Aussies, Kiwis, Saffers, Italians, Germans, Irish, Spanish, Russians, etc. Not a day goes by that I'm working with a non-British citizen in London. Couldn't say the same for NYC.
Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by BlobbleBlab on Monday June 24, 2013 @07:15AM (#5932164)
Does racial diversity matter a great deal to you Americans? I find cultural diversity far more significant. Whether you can understand someone, or whether a thumbs up is a positive gesture or a grave insult to them. These things matter a great deal more than whether they have a pink face or a brown one.

When you look at a random central European city, and see Slovenes, Austrians, Turks, Albanians, Greeks, Serbs, Croats, Romanians, Germans, Russians, Poles, Italians, Macedonians, Bosnians, Ukranians, Moldovans, Estonians, Lithuanians, etc etc etc, do you think to yourself "Wow, there's no diversity at all here, is there? Everyone is white!" Then how about any random western European city, where you'll find the same mix, plus immigrants from their former colonies in Africa and Asia, plus the usual North Africans, does that almost meet your standards?

There are some very diverse countries in the world such as India, the Russian Federation, Indonesia, South Africa and DR Congo, all large (former) colonial empires in the old world. Some might even count the European Union, depending whether you think of it as a confederation or not. There is nothing like that in the Americas.

Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by mturmon on Monday June 24, 2013 @02:00PM (#5934573)
"Does racial diversity matter a great deal to you Americans?"

Given our peculiar history, yes, it means a lot.

Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by snogglethorpe on Monday June 24, 2013 @03:56AM (#5931580)
Vancouver (and other areas in Canada, particularly Toronto) seems to be making a real go of it though....

[My impression was that in the days after the HK handover, it seemed like half of HK moved to Vancouver (I gather the Canadian government had unusually generous Visa policies), and that apparently really started a ball rolling; the last time I was there, it seemed amazingly diverse.]

Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by danellis on Monday June 24, 2013 @03:52AM (#5931566)
Have you been to Toronto or London?
Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by jganetsk on Monday June 24, 2013 @05:24AM (#5931870)
Toronto is great, but I don't see it as more diverse than other big cities in the US, such as Boston, Chicago, or Washington.
Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by baby on Monday June 24, 2013 @02:36PM (#5934793)
Maybe Toronto, Singapore, HK? But yeah I guess NYC and San Francisco are on the top 2.
Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by Fuzzwah on Monday June 24, 2013 @05:49PM (#5935935)
I'd suggest you spend some time in Melbourne, Australia.
Re:From Europe to Silicon Valley - things I do/don't like ab... by wglb on Monday June 24, 2013 @11:44AM (#5933630)
Chicago has some spots diversity on that scale as well.