Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by gwern on Friday June 14, 2013 @02:00PM
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We already have wireheading, but the surgery is too invasive for it to be anything but an obscure curiosity.
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by nazgulnarsil on Friday June 14, 2013 @04:11PM
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There is a lot of ambiguity about whether we are able to activate pleasure or merely activate wanting.
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by jlgreco on Friday June 14, 2013 @04:19PM
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Seems pretty easy to test, though hard to test ethically perhaps. Wire someone up, flip the switch, tell them that they can turn it off if they don't like it. If they like it, then is it not by definition pleasure? Perhaps they find "wanting" to be pleasurable, but I know that I for one do not.
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by nazgulnarsil on Friday June 14, 2013 @04:31PM
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it has been tried on humans only twice AFAIK
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by bumbledraven on Friday June 14, 2013 @06:41PM
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Details/cite?
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by nazgulnarsil on Friday June 14, 2013 @10:15PM
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hadn't seen this. Thank you!
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by s_baby on Saturday June 15, 2013 @06:45AM
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There was a particular case study I can't find that documented intense euphoria. To the point the subjects were borderline dysfunctional, like the rats with the cocaine dispensing lever experiment.
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by nazgulnarsil on Tuesday June 18, 2013 @12:52AM
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brb heading to Hong Kong for illicit surgery.
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by gwern on Friday June 14, 2013 @09:15PM
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I'm not sure there's any real practical difference as far as utility or the negative effects go.
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by RobotCaleb on Friday June 14, 2013 @03:21PM
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For a slightly different take on it, see the Red Dwarf Novel "Better than Life"
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by jholman on Friday June 14, 2013 @05:11PM
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Also explored at length in God Is An Iron, a short story by Spider Robinson, extended into the novel Mindkiller. Unlike in Ringworld, where wireheading/tasps are a MacGuffin, they're the central plot point in GIAI/Mindkiller.
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by pstuart on Friday June 14, 2013 @06:50PM
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A great story (and awesome title).
Re:Do It Yourself Brain Stimulation has Scientists Worried
by ryanmcbride on Friday June 14, 2013 @06:34PM
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This is what I thought of immediately too.
In Larry Niven's Known Space stories, a wirehead is someone who has been fitted with an electronic brain implant (called a "droud" in the stories) to stimulate the pleasure centres of their brain. In the Known Space universe, wireheading is the most addictive habit known (Louis Wu is the only given example of a recovered addict), and wireheads usually die from neglecting themselves in favour of the ceaseless pleasure. Wireheading is so powerful and easy that it becomes an evolutionary pressure, selecting against that portion of Known Space humanity without self-control. Wireheading need not use an actual brain implant; the pleasure centre can be remotely activated by a small device called a "tasp" (important in the Ringworld novels).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirehead_(science_fiction)