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Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by zalew on Monday May 27, 2013 @10:37AM (#5774763)
> Graffiti is reported to cost Deutsche Bahn about 7.6m euros (£6.5m; $10m) a year.

or leave it alone and it will cost you close to zero and still look better. wholecars ara PITA for travellers so windows need to get cleaned, but I thought that vandal squad hysteria after the 90s graffiti boom has ended. I guess somebody needs to pump up their budget requirements.

Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by mih on Monday May 27, 2013 @10:47AM (#5774790)
This might change your mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gLrwaXfeLg.

While the problem is definitely less nowadays, the difficult to reach places where graffiti appears around German stations sometimes makes you appreciate how much motivation and effort the artists(?) must have.

Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by odiroot on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:01AM (#5774848)
This is really painful to watch. Stupidity like this saddens me. Hope they'll figure out how to catch these people or at least teach them a lesson.
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by probably_wrong on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:35AM (#5774982)
> Stupidity like this saddens me

Then here's something a little sadder: this guys are more or less considered heroes. I've never seen the video, but I've heard the story from a tourist guide, who made it clear that this was an awesome stunt that should be admired.

Then again, keep in mind that Berlin has a rather complicated story with Graffiti (the city owes a lot to its starving artists), so the Western point of view is not the only one to keep in consideration.

Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by odiroot on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:52AM (#5775055)
Well, I'm from the eastern bloc and we have (had?) similar problems in Poland. Though I doubt anyone here would glorify or even excuse these guys. Really thought vandalism is rare and less tolerated west of us.
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by qb45 on Monday May 27, 2013 @10:56AM (#5774825)
This was quite bad and IMO it shows that they have some bigger problem that surveillance isn't going to solve.
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by zalew on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:39AM (#5775000)
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by johncoltrane on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:59AM (#5775087)
Take a look at Art Inconsequence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfjPlpub8MI
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by youngerdryas on Monday May 27, 2013 @12:16PM (#5775154)
The funny part is they are probably on the government dole.
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by mseebach on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:00AM (#5774843)
Having a bottle of spray paint isn't a license to decide what other people's property should look like.

Deutsche Bahn, and I wouldn't be surprised if a huge majority of their customers agrees with them, thinks trains should look in the way they've painted the trains to look.

Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by the_mitsuhiko on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:51AM (#5775049)
How exactly does Graffiti look better than a clean train or wall?
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by coldtea on Monday May 27, 2013 @01:11PM (#5775442)
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by nuttendorfer on Monday May 27, 2013 @10:40AM (#5774770)
No there are few few pieces that would deserve to stay on. Most isn't more than ugly names (at least not tags). But what I hate most is when they cover the windows, seriously?
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by nwh on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:12AM (#5774900)
To this end, trains in Melbourne won't even run if there is graffiti on any surface. Creates some incredible delays, but people have all but stopped touching public trains here due to it.
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by probably_wrong on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:28AM (#5774967)
If I'm not mistaken, neither will German trains.
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by cmsd2 on Monday May 27, 2013 @10:45AM (#5774784)
DB could supply free masking tape and plastic sheeting to cover the windows while the artists work.

Why not go further and put up the train carriage specs/dimensions in an easy to use template online, so you can lay out your design in advance to take account of the windows.

Going any further like sponsoring chosen designs might backfire because then it all gets viewed as too commercial, and we'll get people defacing the corporate graffiti.

Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by mseebach on Monday May 27, 2013 @11:06AM (#5774868)
Here's the thing: The trains have already been decorated by artists that have laid out their designs in a way that takes account of the windows. When those design were applied, the windows were covered by masking tape and plastic sheeting provided by DB. In fact, the trains were taken out of service and placed in a depot for the application of the artwork. Pretty awesome, huh?
Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by zalew on Monday May 27, 2013 @10:48AM (#5774795)
> Why not go further and put up the train carriage specs/dimensions in an easy to use template online, so you can lay out your design in advance to take account of the windows.

such stuff has been available in graffiti shops for decades :) but a little hint: nobody cares about windows :)

> Going any further like sponsoring chosen designs might backfire because then it all gets viewed as too commercial, and we'll get people defacing the corporate graffiti.

yes. google for 'adisux', an Adidas' Warsaw fiasco when they covered part of the horse racing track wall (longest graffiti gallery in Europe) for an ad and got trashed to the point the scandal got to tv, their pr firm got into panic mode for a week and in general, how to say it, their marketing campaign didn't work out.

Re:German railways to test anti-graffiti drones by zalew on Monday May 27, 2013 @10:42AM (#5774777)
yeah, I just added the bit about wholecars. well, I don't believe graffiti is a bigger "problem" now than in the 90s when it spread as a subcultural phenomenon around Europe (just like in the 70s-80s in the US). I remember how I was amazed at how Berlin looked back in the day. Warsaw trains are also 'clean' now. I sincerely believe it's an excuse for some political experiments with drones, than fighting graffiti.