Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by Ygg2 on Thursday April 25, 2013 @04:17PM
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Slight nitpick, but is that really Kobayashi Maru? From what I've remember - Kobayashi Maru is testing how examined person reacts under extreme stress of a no win scenario, not whether he cheats or not.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by fennecfoxen on Thursday April 25, 2013 @04:26PM
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I'm just going to take the opportunity to react to reboot-Trek and say that I hope the non-angsty version of young Kirk had a slightly classier way of handling that particular hack... because as it was presented by angsty-Kirk, it was utterly uncreative and dull.
Come on, man, you should have more style than that.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by jewbacca on Thursday April 25, 2013 @08:22PM
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Seeing as how the internet's original purpose was to facilitate Star Trek debates, I think it's relevant to the contrived title of this article to point towards what the semi-canon materials have to say about Kirk's Kobayashi Maru:
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from Memory Beta (non-canon Star Trek wiki -- eg, novels and comics):
> Before his third attempt, Kirk reprogrammed the scenario, eliminating the parts of the program that made it impossible to win, thus creating a level playing field where success was not guaranteed, but at least possible. He then told the simulation's Klingon, Kozor, that he was "Captain Kirk". When they heard this, the attacking fleet instantly assisted Kirk in locating Kobayashi Maru. Kirk then tricked the Klingon ships into warping away, giving him time to evacuate the Maru. The whole thing took eighteen minutes and twenty-seven seconds. Admirals Jublik and Zheng gave Kirk a commendation for original thinking, as well as ninety-nine demerits, just short of the expulsion limit. (TOS novel: The Kobayashi Maru, TOS comic: "Star Crossed", TOS short story: "A Test of Character")
from Memory Alpha ((mostly) canon Star Trek wiki):
> Julia Ecklar's The Kobayashi Maru tells how Kirk, Pavel Chekov, Montgomery Scott and Sulu each faced the problem. In the novel, Kirk won the scenario by reprogramming the simulation so that the Klingons believed he was a famous starship captain, though he was only a cadet at the time. Chekov self-destructed his ship, taking the Klingons with him; to his humiliation, his instructor pointed out that ejecting his crew in lifepods did not save them, due to the explosions of the four warp-drive vessels and the attending radiation. Scott tricked the simulation into overestimating the effectiveness of a theoretical attack against the Klingon ships' overlapping shielding. Faced with proof that such attacks, although quite valid in theory, would not work in reality and that Scott knew this, Academy staff reassigned Scott from command school to Engineering (his true love - he had used this "solution" precisely because of these consequences). Sulu, given the consequences of entry into the Zone versus the slim chance of recovering the crew of the freighter, elected not to conduct a rescue operation.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by breakyerself on Thursday April 25, 2013 @07:05PM
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Oh yes. The problem is that people are coming out of college too ethical these days. Especially in business. We need much less ethical business leaders. That was sarcasm. This author has announced himself as a proud sociopath.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by Balgair on Thursday April 25, 2013 @06:21PM
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It seems funny that professors don't think the students are cheating normally. If this is what the students are willing to share with the proctors the real 'guns' must be more amazing.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by omegant on Thursday April 25, 2013 @04:46PM
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The ultimate "learn faster than your foe or die" is in my opinion counter-insurgency. There is the army manual on counter insurgency by Gen. Petraeus(free download http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-24.pdf), heavy on army procedures, but the general guidelines are very interesting. There are also David Kilcullen´s books, very well written with great insights on the mistakes made on Afghanistan and Irak.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by dpritchett on Thursday April 25, 2013 @05:25PM
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Coram's Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War provides an utterly fascinating glimpse into this type of competitive thinking. Boyd's theories are regularly cited by today's Lean Startup personalities. Here's an excerpt from his magnum opus:
"To comprehend and cope with our environment we develop mental patterns or concepts of meaning. The purpose of this paper is to sketch out how we destroy and create these patterns to permit us to both shape and be shaped by a changing environment. In this sense, the discussion also literally shows why we cannot avoid this kind of activity if we intend to survive on our own terms."
I never managed to finish the one Kilcullen book I bought.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by InclinedPlane on Friday April 26, 2013 @12:49AM
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The OODA loop, always relevant. People that don't understand the concept are doomed to die upon it. Exceptionally relevant in the high-tech business world.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by FigBug on Thursday April 25, 2013 @05:03PM
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On a somewhat unrelated topic, I've been trying to remember the name of the 'Kobayashi Maru' for months and I ket remembering it as 'Komagata Maru' which is something completely different. Thank you for jogging my memory.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by w1ntermute on Thursday April 25, 2013 @05:21PM
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For those interested in Japanese ship-naming conventions[0], from Wiki:
> The word maru (丸 meaning "circle") is often attached to Japanese ship names. The first ship known to follow this convention was the Nippon Maru, flagship of daimyo Toyotomi Hideyoshi's 16th century fleet.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by mxfh on Thursday April 25, 2013 @04:29PM
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For me it would be a red flag to study or work at any institution who expects me to memorize more than the first 6 digits of π unless some kind of cake is involved.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by cantankerous on Thursday April 25, 2013 @08:37PM
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I guess the real takeaway from this article is that cheating encourages people to employ creative skills otherwise left unused in many class situations? I had a hard time grokking the underlying message of the article. Clearly just cheating to fake your understanding is not what's being advocated here.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by Kluny on Thursday April 25, 2013 @11:46PM
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Did anyone else notice the picture of the course text? It was Cory Doctorow's "Little Brother". I would love to hear what an officer training course has to say in a discussion of that book. Wow.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by JustinFulcher on Thursday April 25, 2013 @11:26PM
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The article is endorsing cheating as a learning methodology. Cheating helps to drive innovation. However, I agree that the article is not endorsing cheating from an ethical standpoint.
Re:Embracing the Kobayashi Maru – Why You Should Teach Your ...
by L0j1k on Thursday April 25, 2013 @08:23PM
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And this is why information security will always be lightyears behind any threat in the real world. If you introduce to a classroom of people a task intended to make them cheat, and then you're required to follow up with the information that they're supposed to cheat, well... Let's just say that the people they're supposed to be defending networks and systems against don't need to be told when and where to cheat a system.
Come on, man, you should have more style than that.
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from Memory Beta (non-canon Star Trek wiki -- eg, novels and comics):
> Before his third attempt, Kirk reprogrammed the scenario, eliminating the parts of the program that made it impossible to win, thus creating a level playing field where success was not guaranteed, but at least possible. He then told the simulation's Klingon, Kozor, that he was "Captain Kirk". When they heard this, the attacking fleet instantly assisted Kirk in locating Kobayashi Maru. Kirk then tricked the Klingon ships into warping away, giving him time to evacuate the Maru. The whole thing took eighteen minutes and twenty-seven seconds. Admirals Jublik and Zheng gave Kirk a commendation for original thinking, as well as ninety-nine demerits, just short of the expulsion limit. (TOS novel: The Kobayashi Maru, TOS comic: "Star Crossed", TOS short story: "A Test of Character")
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru_scenario#23...
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from Memory Alpha ((mostly) canon Star Trek wiki):
> Julia Ecklar's The Kobayashi Maru tells how Kirk, Pavel Chekov, Montgomery Scott and Sulu each faced the problem. In the novel, Kirk won the scenario by reprogramming the simulation so that the Klingons believed he was a famous starship captain, though he was only a cadet at the time. Chekov self-destructed his ship, taking the Klingons with him; to his humiliation, his instructor pointed out that ejecting his crew in lifepods did not save them, due to the explosions of the four warp-drive vessels and the attending radiation. Scott tricked the simulation into overestimating the effectiveness of a theoretical attack against the Klingon ships' overlapping shielding. Faced with proof that such attacks, although quite valid in theory, would not work in reality and that Scott knew this, Academy staff reassigned Scott from command school to Engineering (his true love - he had used this "solution" precisely because of these consequences). Sulu, given the consequences of entry into the Zone versus the slim chance of recovering the crew of the freighter, elected not to conduct a rescue operation.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru_scenario#Apoc...
Maybe they meant to say flashier or something else.
To me, ethics seems to have more to do with the good vs. evil dimension than with the lawful vs. chaotic.
In fact, doesn't the term "sociopath" seem more appropriate for people who source ethics in external rules rather than native conscience?
I'm going to clarify to the following and leave it that.
The world is not a homogenous group where cheaters can dominate honest folks with their mathematically 'dominating' strategy.
instead honest folks very much do make it a top priority to avoid these cheaters.
if a top university teaches cheating, its alums will simply not have access to, for example, honest early-stage markets based on trust.
i disagree with the findings of the article for this reason.
"To comprehend and cope with our environment we develop mental patterns or concepts of meaning. The purpose of this paper is to sketch out how we destroy and create these patterns to permit us to both shape and be shaped by a changing environment. In this sense, the discussion also literally shows why we cannot avoid this kind of activity if we intend to survive on our own terms."
I never managed to finish the one Kilcullen book I bought.
The Osinga book is excellent if you have the determination to read it. It isn't a light read.
Which asks the question: did they repeat this, and did future students anticipate it, and did they deploy countermeasures?
> The word maru (丸 meaning "circle") is often attached to Japanese ship names. The first ship known to follow this convention was the Nippon Maru, flagship of daimyo Toyotomi Hideyoshi's 16th century fleet.
0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ship-naming_convention...