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Re:Women, Tech Conferences and the Bullshit Surrounding It by tunesmith on Monday April 15, 2013 @06:42PM (#5554944)
For all the people who rail against quotas, the reason they exist is because of institutional sexism (or racism, in other matters). An overly simplified way to explain it is where there isn't any one instance or person that is sexist, but where the overall result of the system is sexist. A quota is a non-ideal blunt tool but it is one way to try and make up for the institutional sexism - not with the intent of giving improper advantages to a particular person who may be unqualified in a limited view, but by shocking an overall system to reduce the overall levels of sexism.
Re:Women, Tech Conferences and the Bullshit Surrounding It by claudius on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @04:17AM (#5556921)
I’m happy with quotas, provided that they’re implemented correctly:

1) Quotas for both genders, in the form that no more than, say, 60% of the employees of a company and no more than 60% of the employees in a given position may be of a given gender (with a threshold of maybe five persons in said positions before the quota kicks in).

2) Extension of said quotas to government agencies, tax-exempt societies and associations and students per university class.

3) Enforcement of the quota insofar as that ‘surplus’ members/employees of the ‘wrong’ gender have to leave the agency/society/company.

4) Empowerment of local governments to draft people from an under-represented gender into security relevant agencies (such as fire brigades, the military and the police) where necessary.

5) Empowerment of universities to draft under-represented students into classes requested by local businesses (such as science & technology, where necessary).

6) Enjoy the brave new world.

Re:Women, Tech Conferences and the Bullshit Surrounding It by olivier1664 on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @01:17AM (#5556401)
Thanks for your comment, I was afraid to be alone to thinks that quota (while not perfect) can be a good pratical solution:

- it allows the expected situation to become unsurprising/usual.

- at the team level, it encourages to select the non-white-guy to be the speaker (in order to maximize the chance to pass the selection)

Re:Women, Tech Conferences and the Bullshit Surrounding It by Crake on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @01:54AM (#5556501)
This isn't the way to do it. I'd be really offended if someone explicitly added me to the speaking roster just because of my genitals, just as much as I'd be annoyed if they explicitly denied me because of them.
Re:Women, Tech Conferences and the Bullshit Surrounding It by tunesmith on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @03:30AM (#5556768)
While I don't know many of the particulars, I believe that one possible good example is Etsy. Etsy started a deliberate effort to employ more female engineers, and they did it by hiring junior female engineers and training them.

They don't call it a quota, but it certainly fits the loose definition - they wanted more females, and so they hired junior female engineers when they could have hired more senior male engineers. I'm sure that at some point, a team of theirs was considered at full capacity and some male resume was passed over that might have otherwise been considered.

But it's really, really hard to argue that they did something offensive there. They created more engineering talent, got some good press out of it, and I wouldn't be surprised if it had some sort of small effect in making programming a more viable-seeming career choice for women.

Re:Women, Tech Conferences and the Bullshit Surrounding It by claudius on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @06:35AM (#5557313)
They choose their engineers based on their gender, hence acted sexist. I find that offensive and will take it into account when having to decide whether to do business with them.
Re:Women, Tech Conferences and the Bullshit Surrounding It by tunesmith on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @03:34AM (#5556780)
BTW, I'd also point out that if you got rejected because of your genitals, you probably wouldn't know it. They'd probably have plenty of other defensible reasons they could hang their hat on, even if your genitals did have something to do with it. And you'd be left with a disquieting suspicion that is probably correct, and no way to prove it.

Which is very similar what institutional sexism is - except that women deal with it to a much greater degree than men.

Re:Women, Tech Conferences and the Bullshit Surrounding It by Crake on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @04:12AM (#5556897)
I'm already intimately familiar with institutional discrimination, thank you.

Please be more cautious in assuming things about people on the internet.

Re:Women, Tech Conferences and the Bullshit Surrounding It by mtext on Tuesday April 16, 2013 @12:47AM (#5556308)
Finally. Exactly. Of course quotas aren't the solution, but no one (except for populist governments) say they are!